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#1 7 years ago

Okay, so I've been watching a lot of Voyager recently. Got myself the whole show, seasons one through seven. I have to say, I've come to enjoy the show more this time round than I did when I saw it before (when it first aired), though, as the show progresses (I've recently started season three) I feel there is much more they could have done.

1) A Cardassian Galor was taken to the Delta Quadrant; no doubt a Cardassian would have been sent to the Ocampa. Shouldn't that Cardassian have still been there when B'Lanna and Harry arrived? That Cardassian (or Seska) could have actually become part of the crew; the first Cardassian in Starfleet. Not to mention the obvious fact that this would have been brilliant to see the tension between a Cardassian and Marquis crew members, this would have also been (in my opinion) better than a liberated Borg drone.

2) Tuvix ~ Whilst I see why they did this episode, I'd have thought it more interesting if they had managed to keep Tuvix, along with Neelix and Tuvok. The creation of a Clone in Star Trek is nothing new, thus would have been an easy fix on the solution. This would have allowed for an... interesting story arc between Tuvok, Neelix, Kes and Tuvix. Tuvix could have been killed off a season later or something, I feel a wasted episode here.

3) The Vidiian. Sure, their whole race is dying, but apart from D'nara Pel, there are no Vidiian that are nice? I swear remembering too that not all Vidiian suffer from the phague, so why is it we never saw a healthy one? Did the unhealthy kill them all?

There's so much more (I've forgotten half of my points) but I should add to this as I go on through the show. I still think it would have been awesome for a Galaxy Class to come through a wormhole at some point when Voyager was fighting the Kazon or something, but yeah... =p




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#2 7 years ago
Alakazam;55796501) A Cardassian Galor was taken to the Delta Quadrant; no doubt a Cardassian would have been sent to the Ocampa. Shouldn't that Cardassian have still been there when B'Elanna and Harry arrived?[/QUOTE] Maybe he/she was there, but escaped and left with another vessel in an unknown direction or somehow died before Harry and B'Elanna got there. Harry and B'Elanna had some kind of illness that manifested itself on their skin. Maybe the Cardassian in question caught the same illness and died from it. :clueless:
Alakazam;5579650That Cardassian (or Seska) could have actually become part of the crew; the first Cardassian in Starfleet. Not to mention the obvious fact that this would have been brilliant to see the tension between a Cardassian and Marquis crew members, this would have also been (in my opinion) better than a liberated Borg drone.[/QUOTE] Tension? That Cardassian wouldn't return to the Alpha Quadrant alive. Remember the episode Nothing Human, how Ensign Tabor reacted when he saw a holographic replica of Crell Moset? If Tabor wouldn't kill the Cardassian crewmember, some other (former) Maqui would. Lon Suder, maybe. [QUOTE=Alakazam;5579650]2) Tuvix ~ Whilst I see why they did this episode, I'd have thought it more interesting if they had managed to keep Tuvix, along with Neelix and Tuvok. The creation of a Clone in Star Trek is nothing new, thus would have been an easy fix on the solution. This would have allowed for an... interesting story arc between Tuvok, Neelix, Kes and Tuvix. Tuvix could have been killed off a season later or something, I feel a wasted episode here.

You could say the same thing about One. Having an advanced Borg drone aboard such as he was would surely be a great asset to the crew and to the ship. But no - they had to kill him off in the same episode. Such a waste.

Let's not forget Kovin and his Isokinetic cannon that was supposed to be installed on Voyager. But, Seven of Nine has had her wires crossed in the same episode, so she somehow got the idea that Kovin exploited her to gain access to the Borg technology. The following chain of events eventually resulted in Kovin's death and Voyager didn't get the Isokinetic cannon, which would've been another great asset to the ship. Another wasted episode. [QUOTE=Alakazam;5579650]3) The Vidiian. Sure, their whole race is dying, but apart from D'nara Pel, there are no Vidiian that are nice? I swear remembering too that not all Vidiian suffer from the phague, so why is it we never saw a healthy one? Did the unhealthy kill them all?

More likely the healthy ones were quarantined to avoid getting infected with the Phage or went into hiding so their own people wouldn't find them and harvest their organs. :clueless:




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#3 7 years ago

Tricorder;5579693Maybe he/she was there, but escaped and left with another vessel in an unknown direction or somehow died before Harry and B'Elanna got there.[/QUOTE]It's unlikely that he escaped if there was no opening, and he/she had no help from the outside. There's a good chance the Galor was sent back straight after the caretaker found them to be incompatible. The Cardassian sent to the Ocampa (if one was sent at all) would have been alone. Again, I don't know specifics, but I wouldn't have thought the time frame between Chakotay and the Val Jean going missing and Voyager turning up to be that much apart.

[QUOTE=Tricorder;5579693]Tension? That Cardassian wouldn't return to the Alpha Quadrant alive. Remember the episode Nothing Human, how Ensign Tabor reacted when he saw a holographic replica of Crell Moset? If Tabor wouldn't kill the Cardassian crewmember, some other (former) Maqui would. Lon Suder, maybe.

That's what I'm saying though, it would have made for a very interesting plot.

We must remember; everyone thinks of the Cardassians as evil, but they're not. They're solders following orders, just as solders follow orders today. You're always going to get solders who rape, kill and torture when it isn't their duty to do so. Corrupt solders have been something from the beginning of time. As individuals, they're probably quite different.

I have nothing more to say on your other replies, cause they're pretty much solidified.

Edit: Another question (we'll call this number five). I forget the episode name, but the one where the Aeon came back with Braxton and Voyager ended up in the past. The Doctor gained a holo-emitter (with technology from the future). In light of the temporal prime directive, shouldn't that piece of equipment have been removed too?




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#4 7 years ago
Alakazam;5581418That's what I'm saying though, it would have made for a very interesting plot.[/QUOTE] Dead people don't make for much of a plot. ;)
Alakazam;5581418We must remember; everyone thinks of the Cardassians as evil, but they're not. They're solders following orders, just as solders follow orders today. You're always going to get solders who rape, kill and torture when it isn't their duty to do so. Corrupt solders have been something from the beginning of time. As individuals, they're probably quite different.[/QUOTE] What about Seska? Remember Tuvok's Holodeck tactical training program Insurrection Alpha? She altered the program to kill Tuvok as a revenge for his "betrayal" of the Maquis. Why? She was no different. They were both spies. Tuvok was a Federation spy and Seska was a Cardassian spy, so the Maquis really meant nothing to her, so what's the point of a revenge? A bit of unnecessary cruelty, perhaps? [QUOTE=Alakazam;5581418]I have nothing more to say on your other replies, cause they're pretty much solidified.
I added polarization to make them extra stiff and hard. :naughty: :lulz: [QUOTE=Alakazam;5581418]Edit: Another question (we'll call this number five). I forget the episode name, but the one where the Aeon came back with Braxton and Voyager ended up in the past. The Doctor gained a holo-emitter (with technology from the future). In light of the temporal prime directive, shouldn't that piece of equipment have been removed too?

Future's End & Future's End, Part II. ;)

Anyway, yes indeed, if Braxton wanted to enforce the Temporal Prime Directive to the letter, he should have taken the mobile holo emitter as well. Any piece of technology brought from the future and left behind in the past has a potential to affect the timeline. Starfleet most likely had negative consequences in mind when they created Temporal Prime Directive, but were willing to turn a blind eye if the consequences turned up to be positive, which they were since the mobile holo emitter came in very handy to the Doctor.

Besides, it wouldn't be the first time some Starfleet Captain breaks the Prime Directive or its temporal counterpart. ;)




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#5 7 years ago

Tricorder;5581426Dead people don't make for much of a plot.[/QUOTE]Yes, but the death wouldn't have occurred. The writers wouldn't have allowed it. ;)

Tricorder;5581426What about Seska? Remember Tuvok's Holodeck tactical training program Insurrection Alpha? She altered the program to kill Tuvok as a revenge for his "betrayal" of the Maquis. Why? She was no different. They were both spies. Tuvok was a Federation spy and Seska was a Cardassian spy, so the Maquis really meant nothing to her, so what's the point of a revenge? A bit of unnecessary cruelty, perhaps?[/QUOTE]That's just my point. Seska was specifically trained as a Spy.

Lets think about Damar, or any other Cardassian Civilian / Scientists we've seen throughout DS9. They aren't all bad people.

[QUOTE=Tricorder;5581426]I added polarization to make them extra stiff and hard.

:rolleyes:

[quote=Alakazam]I have nothing more to say on your other replies, cause they're pretty much solidified.




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#6 7 years ago
Alakazam;5581431Yes, but the death wouldn't have occurred. The writers wouldn't have allowed it. ;)[/QUOTE] The Maquis don't listen to writers. They make their own rules and do things the Maqui way. ;)
Alakazam;5581431That's just my point. Seska was specifically trained as a Spy.[/QUOTE] Does the Cardassian spy training include unnecessary brutality? Her desire to kill Tuvok had nothing to do with the Cardassians. Tuvok was no threat to her people nor to her personally. She wanted to kill Tuvok because he "betrayed" the Maquis, the very same people Seska was sent to spy on, but in reality meant nothing to her. Why avenging someone that means nothing to you? [QUOTE=Alakazam;5581431]Lets think about Damar, or any other Cardassian Civilian / Scientists we've seen throughout DS9. They aren't all bad people.

That's true. Even Dukat wasn't bad, from a certain point of view. [/Obi-Wan Kebobi] =p [QUOTE=Alakazam;5581431]:rolleyes:

Future's End & Future's End, Part II. ;)

Uuuhh, I think you messed something up here. :lookaround:




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#7 7 years ago

Nice thread !

Damar is a perfect example to show that Cardassians aren't a bad race. He was a true patriot. He loved and died for his race. I think Damar and Dukat were one of the best characters in Star Trek Deep Space Nine. The evolution in their character is astounding.

Damar, from an unknown Glinn that acted cold in the beginning towards a Glinn/Gul that fought for the victory of his race and did everything to the enemy to win (remember the parts on the station where he said "you surely have nothing to hide!" against Leeta :D) to a person that realises that his race is sold and is being used as a pion in a war. It was fantastic and his death was the thing i hated. It was soo fast and stupid actually. It would have been better if he just survived and led his race back to their glory. OR that he stayed behind, alone, to buy some time for Kira and Garak so they could reason with the female founder and when kira and garak come back (after the dominion surrendered) they see a pile of dead corpses of jemmies and Damar sitting against a wall breathing his last air, to hear that he has saved his race.

Things i think they could work out better in the voyager serie..

Well the stuff you guys mentioned.

The episode of prometheus, the doctor went back but couldn't he brought back some stuff to update voyager? To update their shields stuff or weapons? Oke voyager was already being pushed up by some races and stuff they found before.

Quantum torpedoes of dreadnought.. Too bad they never took them :( or that voyaged used more of the XXV torpedoes. (voyager used new type VI torpedoes but they also had a compliment of tricobalt and XXV torpedoes. XXV torpedoes were above 200 isotons i've read somewhere)




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Sovereign001;5581485Damar, from an unknown Glinn that acted cold in the beginning towards a Glinn/Gul that fought for the victory of his race and did everything to the enemy to win (remember the parts on the station where he said "you surely have nothing to hide!" against Leeta :D) to a person that realises that his race is sold and is being used as a pion in a war. It was fantastic and his death was the thing i hated. It was soo fast and stupid actually. It would have been better if he just survived and led his race back to their glory. OR that he stayed behind, alone, to buy some time for Kira and Garak so they could reason with the female founder and when kira and garak come back (after the dominion surrendered) they see a pile of dead corpses of jemmies and Damar sitting against a wall breathing his last air, to hear that he has saved his race.

Damar, killing a group of Jem'Hadar soldiers, alone, by himself, without anyone's help? :Puzzled: You've been drinking too much Kanar again, haven't you? ;)




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#9 7 years ago

I've been talking Damaaar while i was drinking Kanaaar!!! It rhymes!!

Well he could have ambushed them by hiding after a few crates, while they ran by him. In my eyes, the jem'hadar were very tough in the beginning (fysical strenght) and a few episodes later, we see humans (engineers too) just killing the veteran cold blooded troops.. Dunno, cardassians are in my eyes stronger than humans so i think could kanar euh i mean damar could have killed a few jemmies (james bond style) alone and died as a hero.




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