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#1 10 years ago

The show ran for four seasons, this was mostly because it didn't get enough views throughout the planet. Now whether this was because those who are interested in Trek aren't as many as were, or whether it was because the storyline was based in the past I don't know, but I continue to get frustrated by the amount of people that say Enterprise was a crap show. It wasn't. We got a lovely perspective of not just the Vulcan's, but the Andorians too. Something that we would not have had without Enterprise, thus, we'd know even less about them. Yes we knew a fair bit about the Vulcan's, as there have been one on two of the four shows (prior to Enterprise), but Andorians we knew very little about. The way Andorians were portrayed in Enterprise gives them a much better background that we had for them before. Same goes for the Vulcan's. I'd also like to point out inconsistencies.. No show is without them, and Enterprise is no exception to that. However, people complain quite a bit about the amount of races that we saw in Enterprise, that we've never actually seen again. I have complained myself before, but now I look on it differently. Is this fact all that different from other shows? We saw the Tholians in TOS. We did not see them again until ENT. We have only ever seen Andorians in TOS / TMP, and again, have never seen them again. People complain a fair bit about us not having ever seen or heard of the Xindi, Suliban or Denobulan. However, how many other species have been seen throughout the Trek series, that we've never seen again. Countless species in all the shows, we have come across once, and never again. Multiple alien species from various prison colonies (such as the Klingon one in the Undiscovered Country) have never seen the light of day since their single appearance, yet Enterprise gets criticised for this, where others do not. I have also heard the argument that a pre-TOS ship shouldn't have Photon Torpedoes.. Why not? Where was it mentioned that Torpedoes were new on TOS? To my knowledge, they were already being used on the Constitution Class, they just appeared different due to the FX used at that time. Is it simply because Enterprise was a step backwards opposed to a step forward that people decided not to like it? If so, then whilst I can understand that reason (everyone wants to see what happened after Nemesis), seeing a little of 'The Before' was enlightening and well written if I may say so personally. I'll admit that I wasn't too keen on a past storyline, but we got to see everything in a new light, and we got to see Starfleet and Humanity before the Federation. Enterprise, whilst different, worked for me. Please share your thoughts...




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#2 10 years ago

They threw in way to much for Enterpise to handle the viewer were lost. The Xindi war was nice touch very good for my taste. Trip and T'pol getting busy was intersting considering Trips views on The pointy ear devils..cough Vulcans. All in All if they didn't through in too much It would have been a blast too see it bloom into a very good show.


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#3 10 years ago
Saren Arterius;4196570They threw in way to much for Enterpise to handle the viewer were lost. The Xindi war was nice touch very good for my taste. Trip and T'pol getting busy was intersting considering Trips views on The pointy ear devils..cough Vulcans. All in All if they didn't through in too much It would have been a blast too see it bloom into a very good show.

I know, they were at the last season, getting ready to dive into the Romulan/Earth War back story...too bad - screw Paramount or whomever owns the frachise now.:mad:




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#4 10 years ago

We were suppose to see more of the Gorn and Knzit in season 5 too, along with a more focused Andorian point (Shran was s'pose to be joining the Enterprise crew as a show regular). We will never get to see any of this now. :(




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#5 10 years ago
Tycoon;4202307We were suppose to see more of the Gorn and Knzit in season 5 too, along with a more focused Andorian point (Shran was s'pose to be joining the Enterprise crew as a show regular). We will never get to see any of this now. :(

Some of the cast (with maybe the exception of John B. - Flox [sic.]) have suggested they would continue their previous rolls if Enterprise was picked back up. The SciFi Channel indicated shortly after Enterprise's cancellation that they would be interested - but doesn't look as if that ever took flight, so to speak.




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#6 10 years ago

Most of the Trekkers here know I do not endorese Enterprise at all. Saren is correct. I could (maybe) forgiven the blatant rework of the Akira. Perhaps I could have forgiven the never before known Xindi Crisis...

but on the third count... Emotional Vulcans... There was no Enterprise in first place The First Ship of the NX class was Dauntless not Enterprise... Which gets us invovled in continuity issues throughout the series.... The Federation in posession of Cloaking technology Romulans having cloak before they're supposed to... Torpedos far to early The bad Scott Bakula acting... The lack of good story lines (untill the end) Vulcan's and Humans at odds. A Borg encounter before there should ever had been one. Ferengi before first contact... The Sex Fest...

This show just ripped through continuity in a desprate attempt at ratings. The show was just in bad taste and followed the same path as Star Trek Nemesis. The show was cancelled for good reason. It wasn't intresting...it didn't look intresting and it really wasn't star trek. That's the break down as I can see it.

For those Trekkies desprate for Trek sure it filled a void but no Trek is better than bad Trek. I can always break open some excellent Trek novels to get some much better Trek than that show and I motivate younger ones to do just that. Your mind can be inspired or it can be antrophied by lack-luster writting. If you demand more you get more...if you settle for big explosions and barbie dolls then that's what you get too. But that's not what attracts people to Trek...

Trek is exploration, the unknown, culture, ethics, technology, a better future, conflict resolution. You've have to follow what has come before otherwise it's just not trek.




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#7 10 years ago

Good post. +10.

I watched very little of Enterprise and thus hated it's cancellation, but I did see a couple of those discontinuities described above (Human/Vulcan tensions and the early contact with the Borg).




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#8 10 years ago

I thought the way that they brought in the borg was a good idea. I mean, can you imagine that ALL of the borg in the sphere were destroyed by the Future Enterprise?




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#9 10 years ago

True...buth it was story that didn't make sense. With that level of technology the NX 01 should not have had a chance. NONE.

Seven didn't take that long to augment the shields of a shuttle craft to trash a couple of Bomar vessels.

Voyager's Doctor said there was no way to fight against assimilation biologicaly and yet Pholx figures it out in the 22nd century. You see how playing with past events on the weekly basis screws things up?

What you think you know you don't know. It's like someone pressing the reset button on the alarm clock and you don't get up time for work because you thought you had more time. We're being decieved everytime they do one those half cocked timline stories...




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AlDaja;4202389Some of the cast (with maybe the exception of John B. - Flox [sic.]) have suggested they would continue their previous rolls if Enterprise was picked back up. The SciFi Channel indicated shortly after Enterprise's cancellation that they would be interested - but doesn't look as if that ever took flight, so to speak.[/quote]Well, I can only hope that they do this. The only problem though, is the series finale, which has already been shot, and Enterprise has been decomissioned. Don't think they can carry on from that one somehow..
Saquist;4202415Emotional Vulcans...[/quote]Few were Emotional, those that were, had it explained.
Saquist;4202415There was no Enterprise in first place The First Ship of the NX class was Dauntless not Enterprise...[/quote]Source please?
Saquist;4202415Which gets us invovled in continuity issues throughout the series....
Saquist;4202415The Federation in posession of Cloaking technology[/quote]I don't recal this episode..?
Saquist;4202415Romulans having cloak before they're supposed to...[/quote]Why? Where does it state that Romulans shouldn't have had cloaking devices before the 22nd century? I'll also bring up the mention of warp. It has been stated many times, that the Romulans aren't suppose to have warp drive, because the BoP in TOS didn't have warp drive. Untrue. If that BoP in TOS didn't have warp, it would have taken her decades to cross the neutral zone, and fly around in Federation space. Scotty said they only had impulse, in TNG we learn that the romulan power source is an artificial wormhole, thus, is it possible that Scotty thought they only had impulse, because he wasn't aware of how their more advanced engines worked with black holes and singularities?
Saquist;4202415Torpedos far to early[/quote]Who says they didn't have them before hand?
Saquist;4202415The bad Scott Bakula acting...
Dissagreed. [quote=Saquist;4202415]The lack of good story lines (untill the end)
Every show has bad storylines to an extent. Many of the storylines throughout the show I did enjoy though. [quote=Saquist;4202415]Vulcan's and Humans at odds.
I liked that. It is the sort of thing that the Vulcan's would have done I think. [quote=Saquist;4202415]A Borg encounter before there should ever had been one.
Agreed. [quote=Saquist;4202415]Ferengi before first contact...
Why was this a bad thing? Before you mention the TNG episode, where Picard says they were following an unknown species, do take note than in the Ent episode, they were never actually named 'Ferengi'. Yes, we know they were, but the crew of Enterprise didn't, thus 150 years in the future, the crew of the Enterprise-D wouldn't have known about them either. [quote=Saquist;4202415]The Sex Fest...
Agreed. We didn't really need this.[quote=Gwynzer;4204092]I thought the way that they brought in the borg was a good idea. I mean, can you imagine that ALL of the borg in the sphere were destroyed by the Future Enterprise?
[quote=Saquist;4204164]True...buth it was story that didn't make sense. With that level of technology the NX 01 should not have had a chance. NONE.

I completely agree here, that the Borg shouldn't have been done. That is all I do agree on though.