TycoonAnyway, this 'Nexus'. I'm a bit... puzzled by this thing. Nothing in it actually exists, right? So, the point at which Picard first failed, would have been the end of him, the end of that system, the end of the Enterprise-D, the end of all her crew, and no First Contact, Insurrection or Nemesis.[/quote]
At what point was it said nothing exists inside the Nexus. Clearly it does; the replicators create can create matter, why should the Nexus be different?
[quote=Tycoon] Within the Nexus, Picard 'decided' to leave, and to (again) stop the nutty scientist (I forgot his name already). Regardless, he was already in the Nexus, thus he couldn't have actually left (I didn't see an Exit Sign next to a Shuttle Bay with a 'Back to the Future' option).
Therefore, everything we saw after he met Kirk, was actually fake / false, didn't happen, and it was all happening 'In The Nexus'. Likewise, that being the case, the latest films haven't happened.
The Nexus exists outside space time which gives those inside it the ability to go to any point in the Space time continuum.
The Picard that left the Nexus went back in time to before he entered the Nexus in the first place. As he then altered events, he never really entered it to begin with although as he had been outside the Space Time Continuum he was able to remember having done so.
That what i said in my own way ...
AdmiralHocking;3589906The Nexus exists outside space time which gives those inside it the ability to go to any point in the Space time continuum. The Picard that left the Nexus went back in time to before he entered the Nexus in the first place. As he then altered events, he never really entered it to begin with although as he had been outside the Space Time Continuum he was able to remember having done so.[/quote]Well, its Official. I hate anything that is Time Travel Related in Trek. It just screws everything up completely. [quote=Dontai;3590085]That what i said in my own way ...
You didn't word it very well :lol:
Dontai;3590085That what i said in my own way ...[/quote]
Dontaiit parallel universe that intersects ours and exist next to ours, with moving dimensional rift gate way, that moves about are universe, through time and space, like a whore, sucking things up.[/quote]
Firstly it is not a Parallel Universe, it is a rift in the space time continuum that moves like a tear in space. Those that get caught in it fall into this "tear" or "hole." Where as ships and other space bodies are destroyed by it because of their enormous mass.
Dontaithat moves about are universe, through time and space, like a whore, sucking things up[/quote]
As it exists out side Space Time it cannot move through it, the Nexus is a rift that tears its way through space and time.
The best way of describing it that I can think of is; in the Bible Moses parts the sea to allow his followers to cross it, they do not move through the sea but along the parting in the sea. The Nexus tears its way through space taveling through that tear. Which also explains its volatile appearance.
[quote=Dontai]You simple come from were you came from.
[quote=Dontai]infact kirk didn't die he just went back in to the nexus.
Why would he go back into the Nexus, he was not near the Nexus when he died so he could never have fallen back into it.
[quote=Dontai]It's a swininging door, you can get out by the way you came in.
It's not a swinging door, you do not leave the same way you came in. As it is a rift in time it allows those inside to exit to any point in time. They do not fall back out where they started.
The books this refers to are not canon, obviously. And personally I think it's Shatner clinging to straws, but meh. It's as close as we've got to knowing what happened after Kirk's death.
Shortly after Star Trek: Generations, William Shatner and co-writers Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens wrote a series of novels taking place after the events in the movie which detail Kirk's resurrection and subsequent life in the 24th century era. Because of the upset of Kirk's less-than-stellar death in "Generations", these novels have been extremely popular with fans and mainstream audiences - often becoming instant best sellers.
In the novel Star Trek: The Return a Romulan ship transports the body of Captain Kirk from Veridian III shortly after the events in Star Trek: Generations. The Romulans, having a vendetta against Kirk, use an "ancient alien technology" (acquired via an 'alliance' with the Borg) to bring him back, turning Kirk into a puppet for the Romulans. Kirk faces off against several characters from Star Trek: The Next Generation before being subdued, and is treated by Mr. Spock and Dr. McCoy, who are still alive in the 24th century, McCoy removing an implant that was killing him and Spock mind-melding with Kirk to remove the Romulans' conditioning from his brain. Kirk meets with Picard once more, and goes on to destroy the Borg homeworld located in the Delta Quadrant, disabling the Collective (albeit temporarily). He is presumed dead in the final explosion, but is transported away at the last second. At some point, it was explained that V'ger was Borg and Spock's mindmeld with V'ger prevented his assimilation.
Events in the Shatner-penned novels continue in "Avenger", then in a Mirror Universe trilogy ("Spectre", "Dark Victory", and "Preserver"), then in another trilogy set close to the events of Nemesis ("Captain's Peril", "Captain's Blood", and "Captain's Glory"). During the course of these novels, Kirk has a son named Joseph who he brings up single handedly after his wife gets killed in a ship explosion shortly after Joseph's birth. The latter novels tend to focus on the back story of Joseph and his impact especially shown in 'Captain's...' trilogy.
At the end of "Captain's Glory", published in August 2006, Kirk was still alive in the 24th century era - the captain of a small Starfleet spy ship with his surviving crew members from the original Enterprise (Spock, McCoy, and Scotty) at his side. His son has been lost (and presumed dead) in the final bout with the Totality. From the novel, there is no indication that Kirk's adventures are at an end - however, that novel has been touted as the last book (chronologically) in the series by Shatner and his collaborators.
Hardly relevant, I find most of these spin off novels are absolutely stupid. I'm hoping that the new guys at CBS will actually read them before approving them for publication. IMO very few of the Star Trek books make sense as a whole.
thatsjust shatner trying to make soem more money before he dies. i cant take anythign he has a hand in writing or doing seriously at all.