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Flash525

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#1 11 years ago

So, throughout Trek, each race has its main Combat Ship throughout the eras, my question in this regard, is who has the better one. Below I'll list an era, and then the main ships for each species, just to get a view on things, then the rest can be open to discussion. So, starting off with Kirk and TOS, we've got your standard Constitution, and then your Klingon D7 & Romulan BoP. Or would that be the case? The Romulan BoP was only seen once, and they were then using the D7 ships. Thus, I guess the question would be who has the better ship? - The Federation with their Constitution, the Romulan with their D7, or the Klingon with their D7? Next up, TNG. We've got the Galaxy, Vor'cha & D'Deridex. And then in third place, we've got the Sovereign, Voodieh (Negh'var) & Norexan? For me, I think the Romulan D7 would get the vote. I just get the feeling that they'd have added weapons onto those of the Klingons, and bettered the vessels. TNG I'd again have to go with a D'Deridex. She sure has the fire power, and one on one with a Galaxy, the Warbird would win. Vor'cha isn't all that powerful. And then we've got post-Nemesis. I'm with Klingons all the way. The Voodieh has the payload to deliver, no question on that.




akula2ssn

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#2 11 years ago

Kind of REALLY have to be careful about saying which is the better ship, and I think the History Channel series, "Dog Fight," does a great job at illustrating this. I remember going to the last reunion of the Flying Tiger Squadron. They were using P-40s against the Japanese Nakajimi fighters. The P-40 out guns, out runs, and out armors the Nakajimi, but they were initially getting their butts kicked because they tried fighting on the terms of the Nakajimi's, which was straight out dog fighting. The Nakajimi may be mostly fabric, but it can out turn a P-40. So the P-40s instead did hit an run tactics, forcing the Japanese to fight on the Americans' terms.

So it's not a really straight forward logic problem, and you can even carry it over into a discussion about the theory of divergent warfare.




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#3 11 years ago

He's right, there is a nice saying about this. "it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the fight in the dog that matters" this basicly means that it's mostly based on tactics and strategies. You need to know your ship and use it's strengths while avoiding it's weaknesses.


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akula2ssn

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#4 11 years ago

I goofed on the terminology. It's asymmetric warfare. There was a paper published by the US Army about the divergent design philosophies of the US and Japanese navies prior to the second world war. One of the primary focus was on the difference in the Japanese approach to the use of torpedoes as opposed to the Americans.

The air war over Vietnam is another case study. While the United States advanced greatly in air to air missile technology which culminated in the F-4 Phantom, while dogfighting capability became almost non-existent to the point where guns were taken off the aircraft entirely. As a result, North Vietnamese pilots using Korean War jets scored higher kill ratios by closing into gun range. At such close ranges, missiles are unable to get a lock on the target.

The entire concept of asymmetric warfare discusses when situation of two belligerent powers that have unequal abilities, interact and take advantage of the strengths and weaknesses of themselves and their enemies.




The Joelteon7

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#5 11 years ago

From your TOS: Romulans, be it the Bird of Prey or the D7. The Constitution was bloody scared of a plasma torpedo, and even though we didn't see a BoP again, the technology WOULD'VE been in the D7, so Romulans, then Klingons, then Feds. From your Early TNG: Galaxy class. Why? Yesterday's Enterprise has her pitted against unfavourable odds and even though they take significant damage, the Galaxy punches out a ship, damages the others and goes down with one hell of a fight. I doubt the D'Deridex or the Vor'Cha could've not only withstood the attacks, but of damaged as much as the Galaxy. From your Late TNG: Unknown, truly. Whilst the rest we have a good idea of their capabilities, this one lacks one of them: Valdore. The Sovereign, obviously packs a stupidly impressive payload, whilst the Negh'Var delievers a Klingon-stupid amount of barrarging torpedoes and disruptors. The Valdore is truly an unknown. We know they have decent armour (it did take a lot of the Scimitar's primary banks to take them out and the Scimitar bridge crew were worried about the damage the flanking Warbird was doing whilst they dropped their cloak) and their weapons are at least decent, but it's an unknown. For this reason, I'm dropping it out. Between the Sovereign and the Negh'Var, it's close, but I think the Sovereign would get it. It has more directional fire than the Negh'Var, whilst it also has quantum torpedoes which eat any shield. The Negh'Var, in true Klingon style of course, would damage severely the Sovereign.




Rue McDohl

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#6 11 years ago
The Joelteon7;3581991From your TOS: Romulans, be it the Bird of Prey or the D7. The Constitution was bloody scared of a plasma torpedo, and even though we didn't see a BoP again

I might be wrong but did the ToS BoP not pop up in the episode where Kirk,Spock,and Mcoy age rapidly? If my memory serves the Enterprise took several of the Plasma torpedos, so the feds seemed to have upgraded sheild technology enough to withstand it better after the balance of terror.




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#7 11 years ago

from TOS id have to say it was all about who was in command of their respective ship. they all seemed decently matched.

TNG. out of those three choices id have to go with the galaxy. it has a 360 degree fire arcon all three axis with the phasers and the torpedoes just add to that salvo if you are in front or behind. The Vorcha seems pretty limited on weapons. forward disruptors and (althought we never see it we can assume) rear disruptors too. but they seem to have a pretty limited fire arc. the D deridex looks as if you got in behind her then she would be all done.

late 2370s era. once again the soverign has a perfect fire arc with its phasers and now two types of torpedo launchers facing forward. the neghvar does pack quite an impressive arsenal though. and im gonna have to agree with joel and drop the norexan out of it. cause we really dotn know how much of a contender it is.




Psychokenesis

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#8 11 years ago

Excellsior is actually the superior space frame incorporating speed and agility with a incredible ballance or fire power on arcs and torpedo coverage. It is a very capable design.

The Best ship is Defiant...fighter style incorporating the aspects of capital ship tech and superior and unmatched forward destructive firepower as well as other weapon arcs.

Future war vesel should be produced just so..no matter what the race...




Stark98

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#9 11 years ago

of tmp: excelsior definately tng: the galaxy was an excellent addition but the intrepid could do everything that the galaxy couldnt. The sovereign at the other side, is very powerful but not that fast(impulse), the negh'var delivers a lot of powerful but again she is a target for bugships that want to ram her. The warbird is as well very powerful in front but in the aft... Mmmh




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#10 11 years ago

Any ship with a cloak and weapons with a longer range than your enemy would be nearly impossible to beat if they had nearly the same specs otherwise. If you can decloak fire and recloak before they can bring their weapons to bear it should only be a matter of time. This is the basis of the Klingon and Romulan attack strategy. Unfortunately they were never able to outrange the Federation, but if they had things might have been much different.




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