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Flash525

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#1 11 years ago

The most dominant, and most brutal set of solders, known to exist, and loyal to the Founders. These guys are bread to fight, and to win. Yet, looking over all the episodes of which we've seen them in, how good are they? (really)? I've lost count of the amount of times one (or more) have been killed easily, by another species, of whom is suppose to be inferior. If the Jem Hadar are 'that damned good' then how is it that they die so quickly (suicide runs aside)? Ok, so they may have their work cut out if they were going up against a Klingon, but for a Human... Hell, even Quark has killed a few, and he is a Ferengi. For a set of troops like the Jem Hadar, they'd be equivalent (or better) to secret service units. The SAS Marines and such. The other thing, do you Trek fans think they 'want' to serve the Founders, and the Dominion? There are only two episodes of which I know of, that have seen the Jem Hadar go against their 'orders'. The one being (I forget the name) but it involves a rouge group of Jem Hadar, and an Iconian Gateway. Those Jem Hadar solders are not with any Vorta, and do not serve the Founders (they're rouge), thus they do as they please, when they please to do it. The other was in Hippocratic Oath (I think), which involved a Jem Hadar Solider who didn't need the White to survive, and wanted to 'leave' the Dominion, after curing his Men. He talked about how he didn't believe in the Dominion etc. Would you guess other Jem Hadar feel this way (with the White). And if they wanted too, do you think it would be possible for them (those that wish it) to 'leave'. Likewise, the chances of a Jem Hadar serving Starfleet. I think they'd make for excellent security guards. They don't need sleep, they don't need food or drink, and they're tough sons of bitches :p




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#2 11 years ago

I think, when the Jem' Hadar are introduced into the series, they are tougher then in later episodes. Or at least is seems that way to me. I'm not sure if it was intentional but it seems to coincide with the new "breed" of Jem' Hardar... In the DS9 episode, One Little Ship, A lot of the conflict between the old and the new is demonstrated... Also showing that the Alpha quadrant breed is inferior to the older "models" from the gamma quadrant.




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#3 11 years ago

If the Jem' Hadar followed the old Japanese model from the Second World War, then it would make some sense that they would have become less effective as a fighting force towards the latter half of the war. The more experienced Jem' Hadar soldiers were probably all but wiped out during the first half of the war as the Federation and its allies gained the upper hand. This would be the equivalent of the Japanese losing their experienced pilots by 1942-1943.

Another thing that would be of interest is what was the status of the Ketracel-white supplies as the war progressed, and how would the lack of it affect their fighting capabilities. Destruction of white production and storage facilities would likely have been a prime strategic target.




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#4 11 years ago
Another thing that would be of interest is what was the status of the Ketracel-white supplies as the war progressed, and how would the lack of it affect their fighting capabilities. Destruction of white production and storage facilities would likely have been a prime strategic target.

definately! A lot of facilties where destroyed and then in the end by Damar as well. + Remember if they introduce an enemy for the first time they always make it look that they are very powerful, the second as well but then later on, they start weaking it as a normal villian... quite normal, happens in all the shows..




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#5 11 years ago

It might be cooler if they kept them as being a little more elite.. They would have had to make them harder to make and train though. Kinda remind me of the borg later in the show. Inexhaustible, dangerous and more on the mindless side ;)




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#6 11 years ago

IMHO the Jem'Haddar were harder to fight at the beginning because no tactics or training were around to counter them.

As one gains experience with a foe and learns to fight them and learns to exploit their weaknesses they become more effective at fighting them.

At the start of WW2 the Japanese were thought to be invincible. Experience fighting them and tactics developed to counter their strengths and exploit their weaknesses countered the Japanese effectiveness.

The Jem'Haddar's rigid structure system limited the units effectiveness. If a commander or NCO was killed the unit in effect became leaderless and much less capable.

The Jem'Haddar were kept in line through fanatical religious devotion but just in case that ever failed there was the Ketracel White that kept them in line like a bunch of junkies.

My question though is that assuming the Jem'Haddar could break the Ketracel White addiction how well could they live off of it?

The one Jem' Haddar Commander could apparently live off the White which suggests he was able to eat foods and sustain himself.




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#7 11 years ago

In terms of air combat, the way that the US was able to counter the Japanese wasn't quite as much from experience as it was from a major intelligence breakthrough when a downed Japanese Zero was recovered, restored, and test flown.

I can't remember, but wasn't there an episode where a bug ship had been captured.




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#8 11 years ago
akula2ssn;3651178I can't remember, but wasn't there an episode where a bug ship had been captured.

Yes there was, though I forget the name of that episode. Had a Female Vorta on it, and some Jem Hadar, but none of them really relate to this topic. They actually killed themselves (smart guys) when the Founder Died.




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#9 11 years ago
Tycoon;3651407Yes there was, though I forget the name of that episode.

It was the ep 'The Ship'. But anyways, if I can remember correctly, in the ep 'One little ship', the Jem'Hadar begin to use soldiers 'produced' in the Alpha Quadrant, and I think one of the Delta Quadrant Jem'Hadar said the Alpha's are not as strong as the Delta's. (though it may be just jalousy). I always assumed that was the reason for the Jem'Hadar to be less strong later in the series. And as said before, the first time the Feds fought them, there was nothing known about them, no weaknesses, no tactics etc. And maybe the Jem'Hadar wanted to present them as being a strong race willing to do whatever neccesary to win, to make a lasting impression. And they couldn't uphold the standard of their first impression. These are my thoughts...




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#10 11 years ago
Stargazor_001;3652143It was the ep 'The Ship'.[/quote]That is the one. Thank You! [quote=Stargazor_001;3652143]I think one of the Delta Quadrant Jem'Hadar said the Alpha's are not as strong as the Delta's.

Delta Quadrant Jem Hadar. This is the first I have heard of these :p