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Psychokenesis

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#1 14 years ago

What is the third nacelles function and can there be more than one nacelle

The stargazer and most recently the Prometheus with six nacelles. So mutipule nacelle ship so it is possible

Recently I saw and read up on a special on the flipping axis of the earth. When this happens it is said that before it is resolved multiple axis will litteral roam about the Earth's surface bring the solar wind and auroa's to un precendant low latitudes.

This is caused by an uneven flow of molten rock in the core.

"Currently due for a polar flip the Sout Atlantic already show signs of northern polarity concentration and an overall weakening of earth's magnetic shield."

Though it is true that the polar strenght is controled by the metal heavy warp coils what if these multiple engine ships use a metal compound in the warp plasma allowing for no particular polar north....




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#2 14 years ago

awwww, but the problem is a magnetic feild useing that theory could only have a monopole for only fractions of milliseconds before the feild rebalanced its self. The Iron in the earth only has so much magnetic force, and the the molten core can only make it so long. IF the poles were to flip the feild would be totaly distrupted and then remade with fliped north and south poles. We would be unprotected by solar winds for that fraction of a second. But a total flip of the poles is a massive process but the magnetic feilds would ratate to its new axis as the iron core of the earth rotated.

Now the nacells funtion on a north south polarity shift. A metal compound in the warp plasma wouldn't make any kind of difference, unless the ship could withstand the shearing force of highly changeing manetic feilds, hence haveing to reblance the hull polarity every few one seventyish of a millisecond. If you look at a magnetic feild, two magnets if there forces attract one another, they can funtion as one. If you bring in a multi-nacelled ship usual aspect is to use only two of them funtioning, while the others are used only if the others are damaged. If all for are used, you need to find a way to balance the warp feild to prevent incongrueties in the feild, makeing it suscpeibal to space time if one forms. Because if you have two nacells on the same warp polarity, then the repelling force would create a non warped bubble createing a heavy pressure of force due to repelling forces....Like a magnet.

in my next post i'll post a diagram of what im talking about in pictures. hopefully this will make what i am talking about more clear.




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#3 14 years ago

I disagree...the metallic compound or metallic plasma could be concentrate within each coil. Turn the polar axis in one direction create energy in another create motion.

In miniscule amounts metallic plasma could offer compact manipulation of each field coil in every nacelle...So right a computer program to govern them. If you work with smaller fields it's easier to control if not more tedious.

This has to be what the Voyager and Enterpise E accomplish to reduce the exposure of warpfields on the space/time fabric.

Ture it's never been explained but Voyager seems to be the first step in the idea of roaming or moving field theory. I've noticed since Voyager, that the warp flash seen as the ship generates field strong enough to cross the velocity threshold has dimished greatly... Enterprise E has virtually none.

I propose that smaller fields are easier to control and balance but also easier to disrupt. (Voyager's constant problem of maintaining a warp field in extreme situations.) The Galaxy almost never had this problem.

First we must consider how warp fields interact with one another. There is no real evidene but I'm open to speculation. (example..Two different ships, perhaps being tractored within each other warp field. I see no significant evidence of danager with the multiple field. Remember warp fields do not attract they propel.




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#4 14 years ago

awww you are correct on several of those proposals. but that does not answer your question. Smaller feilds are much easier to disrupt when there feilds can vary. Remember the more stable something is, the more brittle the object becomes because it is harder. Voyagers problem was its feild was to stable makeing it hard to stay in warp, but the feild is extreamly effiecent compared to a Galaxy class feild, or a sovereign class feild because it can manipulate its own feild to be as stable as possible. Plus the warp flashes could also be a result of the movie, but if i wanted to theorize it the elongated Z axis could have a hand in this because it would bring the warp feild in closer to the ship makeing a lighter shorter flash.

the repelling forces your correct on also, but the feilds would cancel and push each other out because of the oppistie polaritys. But a theory could be the restructure of the feild, reverseing the polarity to match the upcomeing ship allowing the two ships to enter there warpfeilds. The we must look at what a warp feild does. It allows a peice of normal space to travel with the ship at warp. If the warp feild is stronger, it needs less normal space to travel with it thus allowing it makeing the ship much lighter to travel with at warp. Thus makeing the warped mass lighter. If this feild has even one incongruency in its poles, then the feild will leak this normal space out thus makeing that leak susceptibal to space time not allowing it to proceed at warp, or shearing it apart.

I see how you got the matallic compound idea. but even then the computer are not fast enough to keep the feilds in balance with the matallic compound. Remember, the plasma is highly charged already, the coils are dense material that creates like a worm hole effect. if the coils are not in balance then an artificial wormhole effect happens and the ship if it cannot slow down is torn to peices when the warp feild collaspes becasue when the atoms of matter and the atomic energy of light combine they are so close to the same the ship becomes part of the light atom never rematerializeing.

now we must also take into consideration how the early ships entered warp. pre-antimater ships used fusion reactors to enter warp. Tho they were fuel heavy they used Hydrogen reactors to power them. Hydrogen reactors are EM energy emitters needing a north and south pole. Even on the newer ships this would have to hold true because even Anti-matter and Matter when they annialate they produce huge sums of EM and Subspace Emmisions. The EM part needs the north and south.

Im still looking for a good diagram to prove my theory. hopefully it will help




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#5 14 years ago

Moved to R&R




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#6 14 years ago

Whoa give me time to process the second paragrah....!!!!!!!!!!!




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#7 14 years ago

okay you're right about the the poles...but like an auroa what keeps normal space out in the first place if the poles are the only gaps in the field.

That would be field strenght...The stronger the Field the larger the warp envelope...This causes overlap at the poles. But even with the strongest field...like jupiter being the strongest in our solar sytem, even over that of the sun. It still has an auroa.

Or like Earth fields it could be the bow shock of the field blocking normal space time.

I prefer to think of third warp field theory to be just as chaotic as the sun's fields. Again motion is relevent....(which is why Voyager is awesome.)

AT the begining of a solar cycle the sun's fields are all lined up in longitudes like one would expect. Because the sun's surface is gas and not solid. different latitudes travel at different speeds. As they move fields distort radicaly until positive and negative fields neutalize each other into small areas creating a breech we call solar flares. Other area are so well shielded that fields push away enough plasma to cool the surface of the sun. (sun spots)

After a cycle, like Earth, and all this is complete. The Sun realigns it's fields. the only difference is the north and south are flipped. Just like earth. The same thing must happen in Earths core with the molten core...moving fields naturally flip. It is natures way of harmonizing dissonance.

Moving warp fields produce subspace energy. Do moving warp fields need to flip?

I would suggest so...flipping poles is necessary to realign the fields so the the field strenght is never permenantly diminished

The third nacelle would act as a generator. not a primary purpose though. As far a field is concerned the introducation of a third field is translated into motion. This happens with even two fields. just as Voyager's moving pylons would create additional subspace energy at the velocity threshold with out actualy increasing the field strenght to do so.




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#8 14 years ago

well useing that wouldn't that kinda defeat the purpouse for haveing the third Nacell tho? the computer would automaticly switch the subspace poles thus makeing the motion in between the already funtioning nacells pointless? Unless the feild can be brought outside the ship, it would just add more stress on the warp plasma reactor. because it would cause a outter V in the Warp bubble. BUT outside the warp bubble, the ships mass cannot become lighter as the extra bubble would be matterless. it would just bring extra warped space. The extra Drag would most likely slow down a ship.

The overlapping warpfeilds would make it like a humpbacked wale with an extra warpfeild holding it down. Now unless you can encumpass the entire ship in that extra warp feild it does no good. It takes extra energy, and its a mono nacell which means its warp feild range is limited to only a few Kilometers. Now, if we assume that the third nacell has a transwarp coil in it, we can now say that it would be possible as Transwarp laws do not follow the normal law of physics and subspace physics. WIth that extra nacell createing a extramly powerful warped feild of transmatic energy warp 13 would be possible. Its also possible that transwarp does not have polarity as it so far does not use EM energy as we know it.

(sorry if i start seeming alil dumber i've been gettin tired from this big project im workin on for work.)




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#9 14 years ago

yeah i'm trying to follow you....

Lets stay with the multiple warp engine idea. I know little or nothing about transwarp...

Prometheus seperated with six naceles on line. The ships didn't drop back and they all were certainly still within each others warp envelope after they atained formation. That six fields. two per ship or one depending how you look at it... They were definately interacting.




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#10 14 years ago

I do know most people agree on the prometheous uses two nacells when intergrated. but thecores would, Like O'Brian would say "Damn Near shake herself to peices" SO we can assume that the ships would activate there own seperate warp feilds once the began to move out into formation, or the main ship that had the warpfeild, expanded its warpfeild then pulled it back in when the ships moved into there own feild. We know that ships can leave a warp feild as long as they have some kind of subspace feild around them that matches EXACTLY to the same frequency. We see this happen in The first TNG episode, the saucer uses a small subspace emmiter to stay at warp for about 7 mintues before its velocity falls so slow that the feild collaspes. so ships can leave only with the save freqency and polarity so the feilds don't collaspe.




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