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Flash525

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#1 13 years ago

Basictlly, discuss issues of time and Trek in this thread. Anyhow, so i was watching Enterprise yesterday (in the UK season 4 has only just started - sucks i know), but i was thinking, when they got back to finding everything as WWII, why did they not contact the Xindi and kinda ask them for a little help. I'm sure if the germans found a bunch of giant insect looking creatures running around they would soon have the shit scared out of them. That Aquatic battleship can't have been that far away as it opnly dropped them off. Also there is the issue, that Daniels said , that if the kill that guy, then the cold war would never have happened, yet if he exists and all, it would happen... (because i read that he 'appears' again once they kill that German Alien guy...) Can anyone actually work this stuff out?




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#2 13 years ago

I could never figure out how stopping the guy from going back to the future (wow, that wasn't a paradox at all!) is going to prevent Earth's past from being changed. If anything, it should seal Earth's fate, unless, of course, someone went back and stopped Whatshisface.




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#3 13 years ago

Trek's time paradoxes are rediculous.

Let's say Person A wanted to go back in time to prevent Event A from happening in Timeline A.

Person A makes a time jump to Timeline B, where Event A never happened.

But even thou Person A left Timeline A, the event is still going to happen in Timeline A.

So, in essence, time travel is nothing but running away from your problems. The event is still going to happen, you just ran away to a timeline that you hope events turn out more in your favor...The Borg did this in First Contact.




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#4 13 years ago

Yes, but the timeline was still the same, was it not? - what exactly is the 'correct' timeline? The thingi don't get, if the Borg went back that time (to the start of human warp), why did they simply not go back to caveman times? - just, with the cube rather than a sphere. Also, why didn't those Xindi-guardians get some other race (maybe the klingons, or vulcans) to sort out the humans!




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#5 13 years ago

TC is correct...Time jumping is nothing more that dimensional shifting to another universe.... However the person that think's they understand quantum physics dosen't realy understand.... --------------------------------- But hears what I figured out thus far... There are certain things in the universe that have relative meaning.... space/time gravity/acceleration The universe is nothing more that a complex mathimatical equation for space time......Distance x Time equals Rate of SpeedThis essentially mean to travel a distant time must elapse.. Sine Space and Time are paralel relativies...the opposite is true too.... In order for time to elaspe a distance must be traveled... Does this mean that even when we are not moving or a planet or galaxy... That we are moving because the universe is.... I propose this as a question because it seems to suggest that time is the universe expanding under us... And it seems to be expanding fastrer than light.




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#6 13 years ago

This is one topic nobody is going to ever understand, even reading that is all too confusing.




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#7 13 years ago

Time also seems to act like a wave.... I struggling to understand how we can turn in on its self...




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#8 13 years ago

We can't turn it on itself, not yet anyway (that would be like time travel in some way or another), yet, i personally do not believe (much like the Vulcans) that time travel is possible. Think about it, if time travel was possible, then as soon as people from the future go into the past, that would have then changed time. Them being there has changed time, thus, they wouldn't arrive in the past due to them not having existed in the future! Makes sense? Thought not! If Person A lives in say the year 3000 (where they have time travel) and some relatives of person A live in the year 2500, (say they are called person B & C), if person A went into the past, and altered history, persons B & C could (in theory) not meet because of a simple twist in time, of which was caused by Person A, thus Person A wouldn't exist thus his future would not exist, nor would he. Thus, person A would have never tried to go into the past.




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#9 13 years ago

Temporal Paradoxes are raught with difficulties....

Sometimes the effect proceeds the cause....

Even in quantum Mechanics the effect comes before the cause..... Sometimes the cause even causes every effect that there could be....

If you travel a course from the chair the kitchen and back...your spatial position is the same as that when you left...

In Star Trek IV The bop used the sun to sling shot back in time....

If time and space are the same Space/Time

Then traveling back in time should be just as simple...

To go back in time may require traveling a reciprical course faster than the expansion of the universe......




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#10 13 years ago

You've just confused me one hell of a lot more lol...