Trek Weapons -1 reply

Please wait...

Flash525

The Carbon Comrade

50 XP

14th July 2004

0 Uploads

15,103 Posts

0 Threads

#1 12 years ago

Although I've created this thread for a specific set of questions, I've named it so that it can be a "general chat" about them. Anyway, cutting to the chase, do Cardassian Vessels have Torpedoes? Other than the Keldon (of whom I can't be sure about) I can't actually recall them firing anything other than Phasers. The same question goes out to the Vor'cha & Negh'var. I just can't recall these ships actually using Torpedoes. I know they have Phasers (and the two Klingon ships have Pulse weapons) but thats about all. Also, The Constitution & Excelsior. Where are the aft Torpedo Bays? - Ok, the Constitution may not have them, but you would think the Excelsior Class does, especially if the Miranda Class has. And one final question. The Excelsior, Miranda & Constitution (the Excelsior & Miranda more so) looking at where their Phaser arrays are, you'd think that they would be on the five spots surrounding the bridge (on the upper and lower saucer sections). However, for the Miranda, are the Phaser Arrays not on the sail-like thing, on either side? - You have the Torpedo tubes hovering across the middle of the sale. I've always thought the Phasers were at the end, however this would then render the spots around the bride pointless. Yet these exact same spots are where Phasers are fired from on your average Excelsior Class...

Edit: For to ask after the Romulans. Do *any* of their ships have aft firing?




Chris3123

Trekkie

50 XP

3rd August 2002

0 Uploads

306 Posts

0 Threads

#2 12 years ago

I'm pretty sure they all have torpedos. I can't think of any specific episode, but I have some vague recollection of them.

And if you consider Enterpise to be canon, then Constitution class ships do indeed have aft torps.




Rue McDohl

Do-Do-Do-Do a barrel roll!

50 XP

3rd November 2005

0 Uploads

421 Posts

0 Threads

#3 12 years ago

Its not a matter of "considering Enterprise Canon", if its seen on TV or a movie its canon. The coni does indeed have aft torpedos we simply never saw the 1701/1701 refit/1701-A Enterprise use them. Now its a canon fact the Coni has aft torpedos so its safe to assume the Excelsior does too since she's ment to be better than the coni in every way.




Flash525

The Carbon Comrade

50 XP

14th July 2004

0 Uploads

15,103 Posts

0 Threads

#4 12 years ago

Right, so where do these Constitution & Excelsior Torpedoes launch from? Looking at the two vessels, the Torpedoes are lauched from the section connecting the hull to the saucer. They clearly show that the section fires foward only, thus there is nothing to show they fire backwards.




Mr. Matt VIP Member

#BanRadioActiveLobster

356,136 XP

17th June 2002

6 Uploads

33,633 Posts

778 Threads

#5 12 years ago
SupaStarAshAlthough I've created this thread for a specific set of questions, I've named it so that it can be a "general chat" about them. Anyway, cutting to the chase, do Cardassian Vessels have Torpedoes? Other than the Keldon (of whom I can't be sure about) I can't actually recall them firing anything other than Phasers. The same question goes out to the Vor'cha & Negh'var. I just can't recall these ships actually using Torpedoes. I know they have Phasers (and the two Klingon ships have Pulse weapons) but thats about all. Also, The Constitution & Excelsior. Where are the aft Torpedo Bays? - Ok, the Constitution may not have them, but you would think the Excelsior Class does, especially if the Miranda Class has. And one final question. The Excelsior, Miranda & Constitution (the Excelsior & Miranda more so) looking at where their Phaser arrays are, you'd think that they would be on the five spots surrounding the bridge (on the upper and lower saucer sections). However, for the Miranda, are the Phaser Arrays not on the sail-like thing, on either side? - You have the Torpedo tubes hovering across the middle of the sale. I've always thought the Phasers were at the end, however this would then render the spots around the bride pointless. Yet these exact same spots are where Phasers are fired from on your average Excelsior Class... Edit: For to ask after the Romulans. Do *any* of their ships have aft firing?

As far as I know, Galors and Keldons are generally considered to have torpedoes, roughly equivalent to Federation photons. They were rumoured to be working on a version of the quantum torpedo also as I recall, though whether this was achieved before the end of the war I can't remember. Presumably they don't use torpedoes because the high-powered spiral wave disruptor fired from what appears to be their deflector dish is more efficient.

The Negh'Var has certainly been seen using its torpedoes. It used a very destructive volley of high-yield torpedoes in conjunction with disrupter blasts to bring down several of DS9's shield generators during the battle in 'Way of the Warrior'. Though the type of torpedo they used was never stated on the show, I presume they were some kind of Klingon equivalent to the quantum torpedo, or just high-yield photons, judging from their effect. It would be foolish (and uncharacteristic) of the Klingons to construct a dreadnought class of vessel without torpedoes really. The same goes for the Vor'cha -- it was built to challenge what was the Federation's ship-of-the-line at the time, the Ambassador-class, so building it without torpedoes would be a severe weakness. It used its heavy forward disrupter most of the time, again presumably because it is simply more resource-efficient in the long run. I can't remember whether we ever saw the Vor'cha firing any torpedoes or not, but I was intending to watch the DVDs again at some point in the near future so I'll find out... I assume it has some. These are KLINGONS we are talking about here.

The Constitution-class certainly doesn't have any aft torpedo launchers, as anybody can clearly see from looking at it. Apart from anything else, that enormous shuttle hangar would be too obtrusive for launcher mechanisms (bear in mind that torpedo launchers take up some degree of space thanks to magazines, auto-loading systems, etc, and it's not simply a 'hole' in the ship). I would assume that it has aft phasers though, somewhere. The Excelsior I am unsure of (again, I'll find out soon enough). The Excelsior doesn't have the hangar problem, so it's possible (and therefore extremely probable, given that it was once a ship-of-the-line).

The Miranda-class has phaser banks on the saucer-section much like the Constitution-class does -- look carefully and you can see the emitters. I believe, however, that the phasers mounted on the 'spoiler' are somewhat more powerful phaser cannons. As they say, if you've got it, flaunt it. Bear in mind that starships need to have as close to 360-degree weapons coverage as they can -- they aren't TIE fighters, they can't turn on a dime, so they need to be able to shoot at something from all angles. The saucer phasers aren't 'useless' if there's a small ship firing at them from below or from the sides. As for the Romulans, their 'Valdore' (Norexian)-class warbirds I 'think' have aft weapons (watch Nemesis to confirm). The D'deridex has the majority of its weapons mounted on its bow, with disrupter beams and cannons being its primary armament, and according to quotes from the show it has both plasma and photon torpedoes -- though we must assume that it has some aft weapons as well, given its enormous size and extremely slow manoeuvring. The original Romulan Bird of Prey had only one weapon, the plasma torpedo launcher. And the Romulan D7 class had (at the very least) an aft torpedo launcher the same as the Klingon D7. Romulan ship design, however, seems to favour full frontal assaults -- they decloak, pulverise their opponents with a massive amount of forward firepower, and then try to withdraw for a second pass. Aft weapons would presumably have been added more as an afterthought.

Generally, you can assume that most large starships have the ability to shoot in most directions. As I mentioned, they need 360-degree weapon arcs wherever possible to counter their lack of agility. Even if you haven't seen them being used on screen, it would be a severe design flaw to NOT have them.




Flash525

The Carbon Comrade

50 XP

14th July 2004

0 Uploads

15,103 Posts

0 Threads

#6 12 years ago

I do like your posts ;) I'll have to watch Way of the Warrior again and see those Negh'Var Torpedoes. I don't recall them at all, I only remember the Negh'Var "being there". As for the Miranda & Excelsior able to fire back wards with Torpedoes. The Miranda Can (thats a definite) so it wouldn't make sense if the Excelsior couldn't. The question now remains: Where does she fire them from? Again, with Torpedo bays, there doesn't look like anywhere that a Galor / Keldon actually have that is able to use them... And with the Norexan (Nemesis Warbird) I think you'll find they don't fire back wards (at least not in Nemesis... I don't think the D'Deridex can fire back wards either. All her weapons come from that "green glow" on the head. There is nothing that even resembles that anywhere else..




Rue McDohl

Do-Do-Do-Do a barrel roll!

50 XP

3rd November 2005

0 Uploads

421 Posts

0 Threads

#7 12 years ago
SupaStarAshRight, so where do these Constitution & Excelsior Torpedoes launch from? Looking at the two vessels, the Torpedoes are lauched from the section connecting the hull to the saucer. They clearly show that the section fires foward only, thus there is nothing to show they fire backwards.

Watch "In a Mirror Darkly", the defiant cleary fires aft torpedos, the launcher must be in the neck around the area where the neck and secondary hull connect. It would make no sense that these rear torpedos wern't kept on the refit version.




Flash525

The Carbon Comrade

50 XP

14th July 2004

0 Uploads

15,103 Posts

0 Threads

#8 12 years ago

I actually thought the Torpedoes on "that" Defiant fired from a little light-like thing above where the Shuttle Bay is... Besides, you can't look at that, although "it works" - Torpedoes used in TOS and TMP are competely different. In TOS they literally were (or looked like) phasers.




Rue McDohl

Do-Do-Do-Do a barrel roll!

50 XP

3rd November 2005

0 Uploads

421 Posts

0 Threads

#9 12 years ago

No they were still torpedos, refered to as torpedos on the original show and Mirror Darkly. The only thing different was the graphical effects, I somehow doubt they were different than normal torpedos.

Also the Defiant fired her rear phasers from above the shuttle bay, you can see the phaser emiters there. The torpedos where fired from the neck (also mentioned in the interview that should still be up on startrek.com)




Flash525

The Carbon Comrade

50 XP

14th July 2004

0 Uploads

15,103 Posts

0 Threads

#10 12 years ago

I knew something fired from above the shuttle bay, just couldn't remember what. And ok, the Original Constitution has Aft Torpedoes. However, looking at how the TMP onwards torpedoes are, there is no place that looks to be an aft Torpedo launcher on the Constitution Refit, not the Excelsior. - Along with many other ships...