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#1 13 years ago

In the last episode of Star Trek: The next generation Riker's Enterprise was able to go to Warp 13 (As I remember). In Voyager they said that starships can't fly faster than Warp 10. How is that possible? If you find any other mistakes post them here.




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#2 13 years ago

actually, you can't go faster than warp 9.99. warp 10 is a theoretical impossibility since you would occupy every single spot in the universe at the same time. though, tom paris actually achieved it once with certain side effects.




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#3 13 years ago

In the original series the warp scale was on a standard incline, but then for Voyager and tng, etc, they redesigned it as an exponentially increasing scale. In future episodes they redesigned it again to go back to the past scale as the warp factors had too many decimals (i.e. 9.99999999).

Warp 10 is an "impossibility" as Dread said according to the exponentially increasing graph as it is the horizontal absentote (or however you spell it), so it gets ever closer to it, but never reaches it.




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#4 13 years ago

well correct but its also indeed an expression of warp,like in a book of st ive heard that picard told to go at warp 15 but he meant warp 8. So maybe they used this also in all good things.




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#5 13 years ago

My guess is that since Warp 10 is unattainable, they re-did the Warp scale. As ships got faster, it got confusing to have one ship at Warp 9.9999999 and another at Warp 9.999999999 and trying to figure out which was faster. They just transfered a few of those .9's into a new Warp factor.




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#6 13 years ago

Wile in Warp Ten you occupy all points of the universe at once, the Cochrane shuttle (USS Voyager) once achieved this "speed" but the after effects of this sort of travel was the altering of the genetic structure of the shuttles crew, so unless a way was found to get around that, much less controlling your destination, warp 10 does not serve much purpose.

And as for Rikers orders, they probably had some kind of transwarp drive, or another type of propulsion with comparable speeds (coaxial warp drive* may-bee) and redid the warp scale to account for it.

*For Further reference: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Coaxial_warp_drive




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#7 13 years ago
SteakboyWarp 10 is an "impossibility" as Dread said according to the exponentially increasing graph as it is the horizontal absentote (or however you spell it), so it gets ever closer to it, but never reaches it.

Asymptote. Perhaps you were absent for that day of class? :D The problem with using an exponential warp curve (that is, one that assumes a fixed theoretical maximum warp level, or x-axis value) is that it implies that there is very little increase in real velocity (y-axis) between warp 1 and warp 2, but a huge gain between warp 9 and warp 9.2; this isn't likely to be the case. If you flip the asymptote around, such that it implies a theoretical maximum velocity (y-axis value), then the opposite is true: huge velocity gains between warp 1 and 2, for example, and very slight ones between 9 and 9.2. The problem with all three models (linear included) is that you can't be certain that there is an absolute upper limit to warp factor or velocity. Rather, I think it's more likely that "warp 10" was chosen simply because 24th century warp technology began to hit up against technological limits, leading to an (at least temporary) impasse around warp 9.5 or so. As such, "warp 10" is really just an arbitrary term to describe a theoretical warp factor (and it's associated velocity) wherein you would exist everywhere at once. It may be ever so slightly faster than Riker's Enterprise, or it may be a million times the speed of it. Alternatively, it could be that they eventually found a way to "cheat" the standard warp scale. Possibly through a space-folding design (transwarp was supposed to operate this way, I believe) as suggested, or possibly through other means (artificial wormholes, perhaps?).




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#8 13 years ago

I agree. I think that Warp 10 is just an arbitrary term for FTFTL travel (Faster than Faster than light Travel), for example Transwarp portals, Coaxial warp, Quantum slipstream drive, etc.




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#9 13 years ago

In ATG, did we see any visible difference between the Warp 10+ speeds and the standard Warp speeds we see every day? I forget.