What happened after the Dominion War? -1 reply

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akula2ssn

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#11 12 years ago

Actually not everything in the show/movies is canon.

"See, people can easily catch us, and say "well, wait a minute, in 'Balance of Terror', they knew that the Romulans had a cloaking device, and then in 'The Enterprise Incident', they don't know anything about cloaking devices, but they're gonna steal this one because it's obviously just been developed, so how the hell do you explain that?" We can't. There are some things we just can't explain, especially when it comes from the third season. So, yes, third season is canon up to the point of contradiction, or where it's just so bad... you know, we kind of cringe when people ask us, "well, what happened in 'Plato's Stepchildren', and 'And the Children Shall Lead', and 'Spock's Brain', and so on — it's like, please, he wasn't even producing it at that point. But, generally, [canon is] the original series, not really the animated, the first movie to a certain extent, the rest of the films in certain aspects but not in all... I know that it's very difficult to understand. It literally is point by point. I sometimes do not know how he's going to answer a question when I go into his office, I really do not always know, and — and I know it better probably than anybody, what it is that Gene likes and doesn't like." -Richard Arnold, 1991

"Another thing that makes canon a little confusing. Gene R. himself had a habit of decanonizing things. He didn't like the way the animated series turned out, so he proclaimed that it was not canon. He also didn't like a lot of the movies. So he didn't much consider them canon either. And – okay, I'm really going to scare you with this one – after he got TNG going, he... well... he sort of decided that some of The Original Series wasn't canon either. I had a discussion with him once, where I cited a couple things that were very clearly canon in The Original Series, and he told me he didn't think that way anymore, and that he now thought of TNG as canon wherever there was conflict between the two. He admitted it was revisionist thinking, but so be it." -Paula Block, 2005

Star Trek canon is a lot more fluid than most fans seem to be willing to accept. Even the writers and Viacom tend to be in disagreement.




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#12 12 years ago

Actually, the books are as close to cannon as can be expected. They are checked and controlled to make sure they don't mess around with the established info.

TycoonI have been meaning too, but have yet to get around to them. Feel like sharing a few spoilers?

Info from the DS9 re-launch off the top of my head (feel free to correct me) - And yes, this is a spoiler on the entire DS9 re-launch so don't read if you want find out for youself - You have been warned:

Spoiler: Show

In no particular order: - Attempted coup on Qo'noS when Martok returns after the war; the high council is blown up and civil war within the empire follows. Martok is almost defeated.

- Odo returns to the Gret Link in an attempt to teach understanding to the other Founders. The Link breaks up and the Founders leave when Odo finds out why they sent out the 100 in the first place. It was a search for a progenitor (meaning that the founders themselves were created by 'something').

- Odo sends an honorable Elder to DS9 to serve under Kira as a 'cultural observer'. This Jem'hadar is not dependent on the White. Taran'atar (as he's called) has alot of problems coming to terms with this assignment. He feels he's been cast out by one of his gods.

- Introduction of new station personel: - First officer: Human male (over 100 years old), special operations, one everybody in Starfleet respects. He takes the position after an Orb encounter; he wants to rediscover himself etc. - Chief of security: Ro Laren (!!!) - Chief science officer: Young Andorian male(ish), son(ish) of the Andorian member of the Federation Council. - Some others of course.

- Dax changes from science/medical to command track and takes command of the Defiant after a rogue Jem'hadar attack on the station.

- Bashir has another encounter with Section 31. They want him to kill one of their rogue operatives (another genetically enhanced human like Bashir himself).

- The Defiant is sent on a mission of exploration into the Gamma Quadrant.

- Jake Sisko gets his hands on an ancient Bajoran prophecy that makes him go looking for his father in an attempt to bring him back. Sisko does return, but not because of Jake's actions. Jake has an adventure in the Gamma Quadrant but returns.

- Bajor prepares to enter the Federation (which happens). Descriptions of that.

- A religious schism on Bajor. An ancient (and accurate) prophecy tells how the Prophets are in fact not gods but instead very powerful aliens... Kira belives that the Bajoran people are strong in their faith and goes against the will of the Vedek Assembly and makes the prophecy available on the Bajoran comnet. She is attained as a punishment and has to deal with that.

- The parasites that tried to take over Starfleet Command in an episode of TNG make a return. It turns out they are actually evil Trill symbionts from the past.

- Cardassia is in shambles. Garak returns there and helps with the rebuilding process. He's also instrumental in the establishment of a feeble democracy. He hates it, but has come to realise that the previous models didn't work (just look at post-war Cardassia). Keiko O'Brien accepts a mission to Bajor where she's involved in a project to re-fertilise the barren soil; Miles joins her.

- Rom returns to Ferenginar as Grand Nagus, but other ferengies try to remove him (dunno if coup is the right word for it; it is after all only business...).

- Quark is made ambassador to Bajor and his bar serves as his diplomatic residence (and thus he can stay on and still generate latinum in the money-less Federation economy).

There are these single stories about other places in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants after the Dominion War, but the main story line is focused on Bajor's preperations for it's entry into the Federation.

Again, this isn't a chronological order of events. It's just as I remembered them.




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#13 12 years ago

read the book star trek: articles of the federation, and star trek titan books, it talks about newly promoted captain riker, and his crew, and what been happening with all the races. those and the deepspace nine book as well.




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#14 12 years ago

Care to elaborate for us? Not all of us have the books, and I'm not really one for reading novels.




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#15 12 years ago
'Dreadnought[DK;3878626']Actually, the books are as close to cannon as can be expected. They are checked and controlled to make sure they don't mess around with the established info. There are these single stories about other places in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants after the Dominion War, but the main story line is focused on Bajor's preperations for it's entry into the Federation. Again, this isn't a chronological order of events. It's just as I remembered them.

Belated, but thank you for sharing. :)




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#16 12 years ago

Actually books tend to be close to canon around the time they were written, but over time many books, especially reference books tend to lose their accuracy. This is because while Paramount (now Viacom) officials do recognize many of these books as canon. Individuals like Ronald D. Moore, a Star Trek writer and co-producer, has stated that he and the writing staff considered such "official" material as nothing more than "speculation" and not canon.




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#17 12 years ago

just thought i could help.




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