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#1 7 years ago

delta quadrant. Besides species 8472 (from fluidic space) the borg could defeat anyone in that quadrant. is it because the quadrant is so big?




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#2 7 years ago

Remember, voyager took the shortest route towards Earth.

They encountered some powerful species, but still space is big.. Voyager discovered a lot but almost nothing of the delta quadrant (if the delta quadrant=100% then voyager discovered perhaps 8% if not less)

Remember that Q said that the delta quadrant is a dangerous place, with races you cannot understand or dream off.. Who knows the borg encountered a few and have problems with them, or is the borg busy with going out of the galaxy again, or into another dimension.. We don't know.

They are powerful and if it was that easy, they were knocking on the door by the romulans and the klingons and became neighboors. Apparently they aren't, so yes, they are very powerful species down there.




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#3 7 years ago

Because the Borg take procrastination to a whole new level. ;)




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#4 7 years ago

Sovereign001;5468723Remember, voyager took the shortest route towards Earth.

They encountered some powerful species, but still space is big.. Voyager discovered a lot but almost nothing of the delta quadrant (if the delta quadrant=100% then voyager discovered perhaps 8% if not less)

Remember that Q said that the delta quadrant is a dangerous place, with races you cannot understand or dream off.. Who knows the borg encountered a few and have problems with them, or is the borg busy with going out of the galaxy again, or into another dimension.. We don't know.

They are powerful and if it was that easy, they were knocking on the door by the romulans and the klingons and became neighboors. Apparently they aren't, so yes, they are very powerful species down there.

it's been a while since I've seen voyager, but I do remember that almost week after week voyager was defeated in a battle against some species. I do remember the species had weapons that were considered illegal in the alpha quadrant.

Is the delta quadrant like the wild west? did the kazon not get assimilated by the borg? or even the hirogen. I remember the borg fleet was supposed to be humongous, even bigger in terms of numbers against the dominion. cause I was thinking, you would think the species that voyager encountered right after borg space would of been assimilated too, they were humanoid species, but yet the borg wanna assimilate the federation even though they are so far away from the delta quadrant.

The borg just confuse me a little, the dominion I can fully understand, cause the founders have a good reason why they made a gigantic army.




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#5 7 years ago
joker2561;5468746Is the delta quadrant like the wild west?

Parts of it blatently are. But then I imagine that so are parts of the other quadrants too; we haven't see anything like a fraction of the galaxy in the whole of the Trek franchise yet. It's a vast place.

did the kazon not get assimilated by the borg?

The Kazon were considered to be unworthy of assimilation by the Borg.

or even the hirogen

The Hirogen are nomads, I imagine it would be extremely difficult to assimilate an entire disparate, homeless species. Especially when they spend their entire time hunting other species.

I remember the borg fleet was supposed to be humongous, even bigger in terms of numbers against the dominion.

There are no official numbers on Borg fleet strength, other than speculation from the characters on-screen. It is gargantuan in proportions, but even the Borg are tiny compared to the vastness of the Milky Way.

cause I was thinking, you would think the species that voyager encountered right after borg space would of been assimilated too, they were humanoid species, but yet the borg wanna assimilate the federation even though they are so far away from the delta quadrant.

Perhaps some of them were. Perhaps some of them found a way to resist. Perhaps others weren't tempting targets to the Borg. As all we know of the Delta Quadrant comes from following a single ship on its journey home, however, we don't really know what happened to them.

The Borg want to assimilate any species that will 'improve the Collective'. The various species of the Federation, and their technology, would do that. Also bear in mind that the Federation is vast and rich in different races, and not only that, they have also proven to be a threat to the Borg. Perhaps the Borg want to assimilate the Federation while they are still a fairly easy target, rather than wait for them to become an even greater threat.

Remember that the Borg were willing to go back in time and assimilate Earth before they even had advanced technology and fleets of starships, so it obviously isn't just their technology that interests the Borg.

The borg just confuse me a little, the dominion I can fully understand, cause the founders have a good reason why they made a gigantic army.

I'm not sure what the relation between the Borg and the Dominion is here, but the Borg are reasonably easy to understand. They assimilate other species to improve the Collective, technologically and biologically. That's pretty much the only reason they go around assimilating stuff - they aren't doing it to be malicious.

Some species, such as the Kazon, are of no interest to them whatsoever, as they offer absolutely nothing new to the Collective. Other species, like humans and the other members of the Federation, do interest them a great deal, as they bring a lot to the table.

Also remember that the Borg love efficiency. Some species may possess a sufficient 'resistance quotient' as to be too risky to assimilate.




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Mr. Matt;5468756Parts of it blatently are. But then I imagine that so are parts of the other quadrants too; we haven't see anything like a fraction of the galaxy in the whole of the Trek franchise yet. It's a vast place.

The Kazon were considered to be unworthy of assimilation by the Borg.

The Hirogen are nomads, I imagine it would be extremely difficult to assimilate an entire disparate, homeless species. Especially when they spend their entire time hunting other species.

There are no official numbers on Borg fleet strength, other than speculation from the characters on-screen. It is gargantuan in proportions, but even the Borg are tiny compared to the vastness of the Milky Way.

Perhaps some of them were. Perhaps some of them found a way to resist. Perhaps others weren't tempting targets to the Borg. As all we know of the Delta Quadrant comes from following a single ship on its journey home, however, we don't really know what happened to them.

The Borg want to assimilate any species that will 'improve the Collective'. The various species of the Federation, and their technology, would do that. Also bear in mind that the Federation is vast and rich in different races, and not only that, they have also proven to be a threat to the Borg. Perhaps the Borg want to assimilate the Federation while they are still a fairly easy target, rather than wait for them to become an even greater threat.

Remember that the Borg were willing to go back in time and assimilate Earth before they even had advanced technology and fleets of starships, so it obviously isn't just their technology that interests the Borg.

I'm not sure what the relation between the Borg and the Dominion is here, but the Borg are reasonably easy to understand. They assimilate other species to improve the Collective, technologically and biologically. That's pretty much the only reason they go around assimilating stuff - they aren't doing it to be malicious.

Some species, such as the Kazon, are of no interest to them whatsoever, as they offer absolutely nothing new to the Collective. Other species, like humans and the other members of the Federation, do interest them a great deal, as they bring a lot to the table.

Also remember that the Borg love efficiency. Some species may possess a sufficient 'resistance quotient' as to be too risky to assimilate.

but wouldn't the borg wanna assimilate every single thing in the galaxy? they want perfection, so wouldn't they wanna perfect the entire galaxy of species?




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#7 7 years ago

No, they want everything that increases their perfection. Why assimilate something that doesn't really participate towards it? It just takes unnecessary resources then.. They rather destroy it. That's why the queen sometimes say: "they are worthy for assimilation"

The federation is powerful and it has already been able to defend itself from the borg 2 times. Somewhere the queen finds its fascinating, so she wants to assimilate it. Because if the federation is assimilated into the collection, all these creative minds will be worthy and improve the collective even more.

Voyager was defeated a lot, reason? Don't forget that this ship was outfitted for a trip to the badlands. It had weapons and resources for 2 weeks max. It even had a crew of 120- 150 men. Yes, they installed the tractorbeam on tuesdays, but it had already huge problems with her deuterieum supplies after a few months.. Also Chakotay didn't believe that the ship would run under 120 people. So that means if the ship has 10 people wounded or dead, the ship is already in problems..

So lets say, voyager was fully prepped for a mission...

38 torpedoes? no, prolly 100-15O torpedoes on board, and perhaps quantum torpedoes.(as she was able to carry them in the dreadnought episode)

I don't think she would have 100-150 but more 240 men on board.

And more deuterium storages, more bioneural gel packages..

Voyager retreated a lot because she was unprepared and of course there were no starbases at all, if something happened.

Lots of people say that she is actually a weak ship, but actually, because there is no reference base with alpha ships, she is actually very powerful (not the godmode or so, or the borg weak mode). If people have the dvdboxes, they hear in the special features, that the intrepid class is made to be better, stronger, faster than the galaxy class. Unfortunately, lots of people ignore this, or don't want to accept this because she is a smaller ship, not the flagship instead of enterprise etc etc..

They used her in the episode of deep space nine, and renamed her the bellerophon. She was used to transport extremely important people to Romulus. Of course, some say, aah she is the fastest and they use her! But actually it was also because she was very powerful and fast. Fleet admiral Ross used her actually as his ship. Some say again, aah no he only used that ship to transport the people.. But, the thing is, federation lost a lot of ships, hundreds of ships, are they just gonna say: yo admiral, here is a box with some keys of some ships, take one and have a spin mate! Lol no.. It was his ship.. It even took him a long time to find a defiant class for sisko, who is actually more a fleet commander/commodore..

Voyager was attacked by a lot of powerful species, but the borg wouldn't have a problem with them, but they are other races that form a problem for them, but we haven't seen them.




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#8 7 years ago
joker2561;5468769but wouldn't the borg wanna assimilate every single thing in the galaxy? they want perfection, so wouldn't they wanna perfect the entire galaxy of species?

Think of it as making the perfect cake. If you want to make the most incredible cake that has ever been made in history, you don't dump a dollop of Marmite in the mix.




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#9 7 years ago

Irrelevant now...the BORG were destroyed, everywhere. CBS authorized the demise of Trek's greatest adversaries in the novel Star Trek: Destiny, Lost Souls. (great read by the way...). to set up the franchise for another Trek spin off Star Trek: Typhon Pact. So far, I like where they are going with it. But don't fret. Only in this time line are the Borg destroyed. Remember the Temporal Cold War is still going on. In almost every other time line the Borg defeat the Alpha and Beta quadrants by the year 2600. Only in this time line have the good guys reset events making sure the Borg didn't get help.




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AlDaja;5546722Irrelevant now...the BORG were destroyed, everywhere. CBS authorized the demise of Trek's greatest adversaries in the novel Star Trek: Destiny, Lost Souls.

In my version of Star Trek 11 the Borg took over half of Federation space