Why were Ambassador class ships never used in DS9 -1 reply

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adc2000974

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#1 10 years ago

I never noticed any during 7 seasons of DS9 or Voyager for that matter. Did they broke the model or something?

on another note: I know that ILM lost the model for the steamrunner class so thats why it was only used in FC and nothing else.

Interesting trivia. Thanks Adam




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#2 10 years ago

Actually, you are wrong. ;) It was the Norway Class model that they used. The Steamrunner Class was seen throughout the later stages of DS9, and many of them, along with the Sabre and Akira participated during the war. As for your question on the Ambassador. We saw one. The very first episode of DS9, when it showed Sisko on the Saratoga, there was an Ambassador and Nebula class that engaged the Borg. As for why they weren't featured in the later show, I'd guess it depends on how you look at it. They'd be a Trek-based theory, and a pricing-based theory. The pricing based theory, is that it would have cost producers a fair amount of money, to include an Ambassador model in the show, whereas the Excelsior, and Miranda (both old ships) were far cheaper. As for the Trek-based explanation. I would have said the Ambassador were too old, and not up for the task. Yes, the Excelsior and Miranda were old too, but the Excelsior were still the mainline Cruiser of that era, many of them were used throughout TNG, and DS9. The Miranda was probably used simply because of her agility. The Ambassador would have been considerably slower, and not all that well armoured. If you think of a Galaxy Class turning, then compare her to an Ambassador. The Galaxy is larger, but newer, I simply don't think the Ambassador Class would have lasted long. Maybe they were used for other missions, or more for defence (Earth, Vulcan, Andoria etc) than they were for Attack?




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#3 10 years ago

The Ambassador class wasn't that old, it came out in 2330s. It had quite a bit of firepower on it also. It would've been useful in some areas of the Dominion War.




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#4 10 years ago

Chances are that they were phased out and decomissioned to make room for the Galaxy class ships. Realistically, Starfleet would only be able to support a certain number of ships that size and I think that the Galaxy class made them obsolete. I'm a little surprised that we didn't see any in DS9, but rationally it might've been cheaper, faster and better to rush half-built and smaller ships off the production lines, rather than recommission old Ambassador class ships?

As for their use during the Dominion war, would you really want to use something with the lumbering size of a Galaxy class (how many of those did we see get blown up with relative ease?) and firepower/defenses that are 20 years out of date? A refit could have turned them into fairly powerful ships, but again I doubt they benefit would outweigh the cost.




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#5 10 years ago

I think it was just a matter of taste. The Ambassador class just wasnt as popular as the more popular Miranda class and Excelsior class.

I would not say the Ambassador class was not a good fighter. The Ambassador class Enterprise NCC 1701-C was able to put up a good fight at Naranda III, supposedly good enough that it made the Romulans rethink and re-evaluate plans about attacking the Federation.

Also consider that for a capital ship there were probably not many built due to building costs and maintenance.

IIRC there were 10 Galaxy class ships listed. I think there were also 10 Ambassador class ships listed.




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#6 10 years ago

The Ent-C responded to distress calls from the klingon outpost on Narendra III - it was the sheer performance they put in into defending the klingons that made the treaty as it is throughout TNG - Alliance, rather than the 'mere' peace treaty as was formed back on Khitomer.

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One thing that the Ambassador was, out-of-universe, was a stepping stone between the Excelsior and the galaxy, to explain the design of the galaxy class, which is quite different from the Excelsior, aside from standard primary hull-connecting neck-secondary hull-nacelle struts-nacelles. For instance, the Excelsior kept most of the Refit Constitution saucer design, but instead of the concave dorsal hull shaping from the outer edge to the bridge, although flat for 1/4 of the diameter before the curve, the excelsior had a convex shaping, so the decks between the bridge and the full saucer' decks had more space, and not only that, but from the outer edge it immediately does the convex curve, before rather flat incline to the bridge module. Both had a perfectly circular shape. but where the consitution hull edge was \ / the excel was / \

The Excelsior had Phaser Emitters - single points from which phaser beams are emitted.

The Galaxy differed from the excelsior, in that one: the hull edge was both/neither. There was a gap - the black thing above deck ten windows. (Note: Deck 10 and deck 9 are the ones with windows on the edge surface... ) It was an Oval, not a circle. it had one continuous strip of emitters, which seemed to work differently. the convex shape of the dorsal saucer surface had no 'flat' stage to the deck 1-3 module.

Not only that, but the engineering, the nacelles and struts... this is a big leap, in a way..

So the ambassador was designed to be an inbetween

In-universe, its easy to describe it as a natural design evolution.




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#7 10 years ago

It could also be possible that there were very few Ambassadors built. Seeing that they were the pinnacle of post-TMP tech, only a handful of them might have been in service. I my opinion, they may have been fully replaced by the Gaalxy and Sovereign by the Dominion War. It should also be noted that recent ships like the Freedom, Niagara, Cheyenne and New Orleans, which were about the same age as the Ambassador, were largely ignored.




Alex Mcpherson

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#8 10 years ago

Maybe due to alterations in the tech line up, those were built as test beds, but by the time of the galaxy class and the tech had problems 'weened out', so to speak, only a few had been built and most of those were destroyed during Wolf 359 if not before?

In the mean time, the well-proven Excelsior went from lead class (aka limited run) to workhorse, replacing the Miranda' class in that respect, and the Miranda's got relegated to cargo vessels and so on. the lead ships where these ships with the newer tech, but as above, by the time the Galaxy class came about to do that alongside the Nebula class, the Cheyenne and New orleans had been destroyed/relegated to piss-poor jobs due to unpopularity. the federation public are fans of the excel and galaxy, one with a history, the other with its... i dunno, presence, not to mention the 2nd(?) produced being the Ent-D.




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#9 10 years ago
Alex Mcpherson;4269529 The federation public are fans of the excel and galaxy, one with a history, the other with its... i dunno, presence.

Yes. The excelsior is a well respected ship and the sheer size of the galaxy makes it feared by other race counterparts.




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#10 10 years ago
As for the Trek-based explanation. I would have said the Ambassador were too old, and not up for the task. Yes, the Excelsior and Miranda were old too, but the Excelsior were still the mainline Cruiser of that era, many of them were used throughout TNG, and DS9. The Miranda was probably used simply because of her agility.

The Ambassador would be a better fighter than the Excelsior of Miranda would be, it is a old ship, but the Excelsior and Miranda are both far older, and more outdated designs than the Ambassador class. You are right, it would be slower and less maneuverable than either of them, but it has more powerful shields and weapons to make up for it.

I think it just comes down to the sheer numbers of the Excelsior and Miranda class ships that were in service compared to only a few Ambassadors.

It could also be possible that there were very few Ambassadors built. Seeing that they were the pinnacle of post-TMP tech, only a handful of them might have been in service. I my opinion, they may have been fully replaced by the Gaalxy and Sovereign by the Dominion War.

Thats what i think. I think the Ambassador was like the Galaxy class of its time, biggest ship in Starfleet with only a few build as showcases of the best technology they had at the time. I think the reason we don't see them much is because there is simply not that many in use.

Its a shame, i've always liked the Ambassador class, and they are hardly ever seen.