Why were Ambassador class ships never used in DS9 -1 reply

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akula2ssn

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#11 12 years ago

I think it's likely that the Ambassador class ships were delegated to lighter duties else where in order to free up the Galaxy class ships and other more modern ships of that general size class for duty on the Dominion front.

It's highly unusual for capitol ships to be taken out of service or phased out during wartime. And usually if they are phased out just prior to a war, it's quite common for them to be brought back into service in one form or another. Wars like the Dominion War usually allow for undertakings that would not be considered cost effective under normal operating conditions. A prime example is the Pearl Harbor battleships that were salvaged and modernized. Another example would be the older B-52s that were brought out of mothballs during Vietnam (these B-52s could be recognized by the letter "O" preceeding their tail number standing for obsolete). Or the old WWI era S-boats that remained in service during WWII.

Considering how large the Federation is and how many commitments they would likely still have in addition to the Dominion War, I highly doubt they would pull the bulk of the Galaxy class as well as other assets away from other areas without at least having tried to compensate. An example would be supporting colonies on the outer fringes of Federation space. Colony support was pretty much the big reason for the huge size of the Galaxy class. However, that same feature also makes the Galaxy an invaluable asset on the front to support ground operations. The same goes for the Nebula class. The Ambassador class doesn't really appear to be outfitted for such operation, but it is a reasonably large ship with a reasonably powerful weapons array and can certainly be setup to take over the comparatively lighter duty of watching over colonies that are on the other frontiers.




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#12 12 years ago
judgeking;4269166It would've been useful in some areas of the Dominion War.[/quote]Cannon Fodder to work along with the Miranda no doubt. ;)
Bs|Archaon;4269173As for their use during the Dominion war, would you really want to use something with the lumbering size of a Galaxy class (how many of those did we see get blown up with relative ease?) and firepower/defenses that are 20 years out of date?[/quote]I think you've practically hit the nail on the head here.
Anlushac11;4269204I think it was just a matter of taste. The Ambassador class just wasnt as popular as the more popular Miranda class and Excelsior class.[/quote]:agreed
Anlushac11;4269204IIRC there were 10 Galaxy class ships listed. I think there were also 10 Ambassador class ships listed.
Ambassador Class Starships:
  • USS Adelphi NCC-26849
  • USS Ambassador NCC-10521
  • USS Enterprise NCC-1701-C
  • USS Excalibur NCC-26517
  • USS Exeter NCC-26531
  • USS Gandhi NCC-26632
  • USS Horatio NCC-10532
  • USS Valdemar NCC-26198
  • USS Yamaguchi NCC-26510
  • USS Zhukov NCC-26136
Galaxy Class Starships:
  • USS Challenger NCC-71099
  • USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D
  • USS Galaxy NCC-70637
  • USS Magellan NCC-?
  • USS Odyssey NCC-71832
  • USS Venture NCC-71854
  • USS Trinculo NCC-71867
  • USS Yamato NCC-71807
There are two more canon Ambassador Class starships listed, however, I would have thought we'd seen many more than eight Galaxy Class starships. [quote=jetfreak;4269419]It could also be possible that there were very few Ambassadors built. Seeing that they were the pinnacle of post-TMP tech, only a handful of them might have been in service.
This seems quite likely to be honest. It is also wise to note that the Enterprise-C is an Ambassador Class. The newer ships on the line, get the name Enterprise. The Ent-E has to be the 2nd Sovereign Class built at least? - I know there is a theory that the Ent-E was the Sovereign, but was renamed. I choose not to believe that theory personally. [quote=jetfreak;4269419]It should also be noted that recent ships like the Freedom, Niagara, Cheyenne and New Orleans, which were about the same age as the Ambassador, were largely ignored.
Freedom & Niagara were ugly designs. =p [quote=jetfreak;4270250]Yes. The excelsior is a well respected ship and the sheer size of the galaxy makes it feared by other race counterparts.

When we think about it, the Excelsior Class is still the mainline Cruiser. At least throughout TNG, and the majority of DS9. An old ship yes, but she could handle herself I think. The Miranda, heh, cannon fodder. Nuff said.




Alex Mcpherson

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#13 12 years ago

not to mention beginning to be outfitted with quantum torpedoes and the internals change too so we know the excelsior is modular... The Galaxy has everything so doesnt need to be modular so much. The Ambassador class... welll the class name says it all don't you think? and the Enterprise has always been a big name in diplomacy, not just combat. Where-as Galaxy class...

The class names are very fitting.

and yes we have seen several galaxies. there were a few retrofitted by the time of the dominion war too - some had phaser arrays on the actual nacelles in addition to the pylon strips - 2 for port/starboard, 2 for dorsal, and 2 for ventral - 6 total.

If I recall the model kit i had - 5 strips (3 large, 2 small) dorsal saucer on the ambassador, 3 slightly smaller than the large ones, on the ventral side of the saucer, 2 on the nacelle pylons and introducing the whole 'ventral engineering' strip that runs exactly perpendicular to the forward axis.

... and i have no idea what i just typed. meh.




adc2000974

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#14 12 years ago

Thanks for the replies and debating there guys, allot more then what I expected.




delta1135

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#15 12 years ago

Weren't they escort vessels?




Flash525

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#16 12 years ago

I would have put the Ambassador Class down as a Diplomatic / Exploration vessel personally. Maybe label her as a Heavy Cruiser?




Jetfreak

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#17 12 years ago

That's right. Ambassadors took on jobs that the Galaxy does now. (Exploration, flagship, etc.)




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#18 12 years ago
TycoonI would have put the Ambassador Class down as a Diplomatic / Exploration vessel personally. Maybe label her as a Heavy Cruiser?

Heavy Cruiser sounds right for the Ambassador. I could see at the time they were first introduced, they might have been classified as a Battlecruisers, just because of thier size and having better weapons and shields than the rest of the fleet at the time.




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#19 12 years ago

Tycoon is the closest.

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#20 12 years ago

The Ambassador class ships were heavy cruisers.

The Ambassador class starship was a Starfleet heavy cruiser class launched in the mid 24th century. (TNG: "Conspiracy")

They seemed to have been used all over as needed

Ships of the Ambassador class were utilized during the Klingon Civil War, and fought against the Borg and the Dominion. (TNG: "Redemption II"; DS9: "Emissary", "You Are Cordially Invited")