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#1 7 years ago

I have always wondered it it was unethical to use ST Soundtracks from the various movies and TV series of Trek in a mod. I have some great music lined up with something I am working on and would hate to regret keeping it in upon release. Anyone have any thoughts?




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#2 7 years ago

Honestly dont. That whole area has been a touchy issue for the last few years in many of the ST communities. Some of the larger mods that did use these soundtracks either were removed from FileFront and other places or handed Cease & Desist notices. Legacy has also been involved in it.

The covering your ass with crediting the source was not enough as many of the mods found out as technically no one asked permission to use the material.

If you want it you have to ask for it. Never ask and you never know. That sort of material does not have an open use policy.




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#3 7 years ago

what about using video or audio clips from a specific ST movie's or episode's to correspond with a related or similiar if not cannon missions or battles? They say imitation is the highest form of flattery. E.g. the wrath kahn or the undiscovered country during the battle have cutscenes and or audio clips with on screen captioning trigger at a certain moment and or scripting. I think this would be great, I know that there are some official videos and unofficial ones that have what were talking about more or else in them I have listed a couple for you guys to see the last one listed has the right idea. I believe bethseda and mad doc have the rights to the wrath of kahn judging by their official previews and gameplay listed below.

New Star Trek Legacy Trailer YouTube - New Star Trek Legacy Trailer .

E3 2006 Star Trek: Legacy Preview YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. v=Aye3x_efMD8&feature=related

Star Trek Legacy: Bethesda E3 Video 1 Star Trek Legacy: Bethesda E3 Video 1 - Video

Star Trek Legacy - Hi-Res Game Play Video YouTube - Star Trek Legacy - Hi-Res Game Play Video

this video has the right idea lol check it out.

The Ultimate Universe YouTube - The Ultimate Universe




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#4 7 years ago

You can use limited amounts of audio clips. There are specific rules to using it and I don't have the details infront of me. But basically you can legally use audio clips if you follow the rules associated with them.

Basically the "music" thing is generally not because it's "too much" "too long" etc etc etc.




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#5 7 years ago

but legacy already has full tracks of music on it. Are they compressed a certain way to reduce size? I'm not understanding why you can't use mp3's.




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#6 7 years ago

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#7 7 years ago

Technically, making a mod of any game to include audio clips can only be legally done by Paramount, CBS and affiliated companies when it comes to Star Trek, however, my understanding of the law suggest that if the material (in this situation music/sounds) are public domain and no profit via redistribution is to be gained by reproducing a fan made project, the copyright owners have no real legal stand other than to bitch about it. As long as you properly state credit/copyright with your work and you don't use the complete work, the copyright owner cannot come after you if the law determines that "complete works" were not infringed upon and no profit was obtained by redistribution of music, art, etc..

I use a looped 15 second or so MP3 of the Romulan theme as used in 'Nemesis' and under the law it is not considered as a copyright infringement. It does not violate the complete works clause noted in international copy right laws, because I do not seek monetary compensation. I also properly credit the work. I wouldn't worry about it as long as you follow this general rule.




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#8 7 years ago

That's what I thought and heard that from many sources. Most if not all total conversion mods don't charge for their download content and are all considered fan made. ( Nice pic of the Vesta class)




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#9 7 years ago

The music that is in Legacy was made specifically for the game by RedNote Productions. Its in ogg format for gaming reasons (max compression as it reduces air above and below the track giving smaller file sizes).

As for soundtracks, you have to be very specific in crediting the source. A tip is CBS/Paramount are not the only people that own rights to the soundtracks. Even though it seems stupid but it is a technicality that CBS did use to shut down a whole lot of mods about 2years ago and these were mods that were free... CBS for many years let people do it without batting an eyelid over it then about 2years ago they came down hard on a lot of modders across all the ST communities. Mods were being pulled down everywhere and cease and disist notices were handed out to repeat offenders.

Around 3years ago CBS/Paramount started getting very touchy with the ST gaming franchise; more so with the modding communities and the publishers. Back then modding was very strong across all the communities and it wasnt until I was doing a few things with Bethesda over Legacy that creditation was brought up. Specifics were for audio based work. The following year was when CBS cracked down on people using audio from the soundtracks.

Now clips from TV and Movies is something else entirely. The soundtracks though they come under a different set of copyright laws its to do with broadcasting. I dont know specifics on it but it is treated differently.




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#10 7 years ago

how do ppl on you tube get away with it then?




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