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B0b89

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Five days ago I found this EaW Files interview http://empireatwar.filefront.com/new...nterview;41367 Since the answer to question two is that to make the mod tools the files were reverse engineered isn't that going against the part of the EaW license agreement because in the section of what you can't do, point seven says "reverse engineer the software, derive source code, or otherwise attempt to reconstruct or discover any underlying source code, ideas, algorithms, file formats, programming or interoperbility interfaces of the software by any means whatsoever, except to the extent expressly permitted by law despite a contractual provision to the contrary, and then only after you have notified LucasArts in writing of your intended activities." so according to how the mod tools are made and what the license agreement says aren't mods breaking the license agreement? Thanks, please explain This isn't an accusation, this is just me trying to figure something out.




Kelathin

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#2 10 years ago
B0b89;4800528Five days ago I found this EaW Files interview http://empireatwar.filefront.com/new...nterview;41367 Since the answer to question two is that to make the mod tools the files were reverse engineered isn't that going against the part of the EaW license agreement because in the section of what you can't do, point seven says "reverse engineer the software, derive source code, or otherwise attempt to reconstruct or discover any underlying source code, ideas, algorithms, file formats, programming or interoperbility interfaces of the software by any means whatsoever, except to the extent expressly permitted by law despite a contractual provision to the contrary, and then only after you have notified LucasArts in writing of your intended activities." so according to how the mod tools are made and what the license agreement says aren't mods breaking the license agreement? Thanks, please explain This isn't an accusation, this is just me trying to figure something out.

Well you're absolutely right, it is illegal. Modding is illegal in general. However just because it is illegal does not mean developers are actively sue people because of it. It is within their right to sue if they see fit. Actively trying to harm their EaW modding community is counter productive.




B0b89

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#3 10 years ago

If all mods are illegal and not just the mod tools making them illegal why at the end of the license agreement there are rules governing new levels (mods fall into this catogory since it includes "data that modifies, add to, or sudstitute for data in the software" also on petroglyph's website there is a link to EaW files Petroglyph and there is the mod site called Lucasfiles, and the site called Lucas forum, where people announce mods (aren't these sites owned by Lucas arts) so wouldn't it just be the mod tools causing mods to be illegal?




Darth_Windu

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#4 10 years ago

No, Kelatin is right, pretty much all modding is illegal. Most companies will never enforce it though, because it encourages players to buy their games and keep playing. The reason for the EULA's and whatnot is so that they can enforce it if they so choose, particularly in the case of people making money out of mods. It's just for flexibility basically.




B0b89

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#5 10 years ago

Then why when I asked before here and on different sites, why did people say mods were legal because when I was playing mod I thought I was doing something legal?




B0b89

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#6 10 years ago

How come if mods are legal LucasArts has LucasFiles, LucasForums, and a license agreement with rules governig New levels (seems like mods), and why does petroglyph have a link to FileFron, EaW Files, Universe at War File, it seems like game developers are encouraging you to use mods, why would they do that if mods are illegal, Couldn't the developers get in trouble for posting those links on their site. Sorry for the double post it was to late for me to edit my last one




Jamoking

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#7 10 years ago
B0b89;4801808How come if mods are legal LucasArts has LucasFiles, LucasForums, and a license agreement with rules governig New levels (seems like mods), and why does petroglyph have a link to FileFron, EaW Files, Universe at War File, it seems like game developers are encouraging you to use mods, why would they do that if mods are illegal, Couldn't the developers get in trouble for posting those links on their site. Sorry for the double post it was to late for me to edit my last one

Well from my understanding, no the developers would not get in trouble, because one: it's their game and two: the government would not be the one taking action against you, it would be the company/developer that made the game, it is up to the developer if they wish to seek legal action (because the contract is between you and the developer) and if they do so then it would go to the judical system of government then and only then would the government become involved. Modding is sort of like one of those unenforced rules/laws, take for instance jaywalking almost everyone does it (especially in New York and larger cities), however, police usually do not enforce the penalty (a fine usually) because for one thing they would basically have to hand out fines to a whole lot of people, usually people that do get fines for jaywalking were either excessive (say running back and forth across the street every minute) or the officer was in a bad mood ;). Its up to the officer to issue the fine, similar to the developer where its up to the developer to take legal action, if they deem necessary.




Major A Payne

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#8 10 years ago

B0b89. I'm curious as to why you're so concerned with this anyway?? Modding has been around almost as long as pc gaming and internet has.




the_stag

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#9 10 years ago

The whole point for all the legal mumbo-jumbo is to protect themselves (Lucasarts and Petroglyph) from all possible scenarios. I can't even imagine all the things that the company lawyers could think of, but it's mostly for those reasons. In todays sue-happy culture you had better cover every possible scenario but you never know who's going to take advantage of you. Hope that helps a little.




Jedi_Lu

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#10 10 years ago
Major A Payne;4802177B0b89. I'm curious as to why you're so concerned with this anyway?? Modding has been around almost as long as pc gaming and internet has.
Hold it! If a policeman in the vicinity? :rofl:



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