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neo_mp5

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#1 13 years ago

i'd like to ask that the "perfect saber sounds" mod be removed. it's a blatant violation of the plagiarism policy clearly stated on this site. nearly all the sounds in the mod were from my mod for jedi outcast. the author claimed he forgot to give credit, and never did. i was willing to overlook it, perhaps get him to release my mod for jedi academy (which i don't have). but when i contacted him, he had the nerve to lie to my face: neomp5 says: you are very hard to get in contact with JediMaster Sean says: who are you neomp5 says: you are the maker of the "perfect sounds" mod? JediMaster Sean says: Yes. neomp5 says: 90% of which was directly plagiarized from my mod JediMaster Sean says: perhaps. Perhaps not. JediMaster Sean says: I recorded a lot of the sounds from ep III IV V. I got the imp officer death from Indianna Jones, Raiders of the lost ark the blaster sounds from battlefront. neomp5 says: the blaster sounds are from republic commando JediMaster Sean says: No. Battlefront neomp5 says: the wilhelms are from hollywoodlostandfound.net JediMaster Sean says: Wilhelms neomp5 says: http://hollywoodlostandfound.net/wilhelm/ JediMaster Sean says: what do u mean wilhelm neomp5 says: it's a scream, named for a character in an old film JediMaster Sean says: I got it from inddy when a nazi is thrown on a jeep neomp5 says: i got them from this site, and edited them to have a voice filter sound neomp5 says: i made the extended one JediMaster Sean says: Listen, very nice speaking to u but i so perhaps I duel u on JA 1 day neomp5 says: and you know the bowcaster sound? neomp5 says: i built that neomp5 says: beginning JediMaster Sean says: cya! And may the force be with u neomp5 says: middle neomp5 says: end neomp5 says: and echo




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#2 13 years ago
the blaster sounds are from republic commando
the wilhelms are from hollywoodlostandfound.net

Which means none of that actually belongs to you.

And what did you make the bowcaster sound from? I can't do anything unless you can prove you made, from scratch, at least one of the sounds, because otherwise you have no claim to say they were yours.




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#3 13 years ago

ehhh to be honest if you want to bitch about plagierism, then taking any sounds from the films is exactly that. and before you say anything, its PERFECTLY possible to make those sounds for yourself.

how do you think they got there in the first place?




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#4 13 years ago

It's hard to be strict on the plagiarism rule with sound mods, because in 99% of the cases the authors simply downloaded the sounds from a website. When that's the case, you can't come to us bitching that someone stole your sounds, because they were never yours in the first place.

So if you did make any completely on your own, let me know. You're going to have to have proof, though, or at least adequately convince me.




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#5 13 years ago

like i said, i built the bowcaster shot from 3 bits of the original sound from the film, and another sound. it took me an hour to get it to sound right. i did a lot of editing to those sounds, very few are simple rips. i put hours into those sounds and i credited both ben burtt, and dveditor, the TFN user who got ahold of the sounds i used. jedimaster sw did neither. and to flat-out lie about where the sounds came from. there is no excuse for that.

i'm willing to credit the source of each and every sound, including the ones i edited.




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#6 13 years ago
i built the bowcaster shot from 3 bits of the original sound from the film

That's like taking a sound from, say, KotOR, adding a reverb, and saying it's mine. You can't do it. Why are you really complaining - because someone used your sounds, or because someone used your sounds and got more downloads than you?

Note I am not saying I will not remove the mod.




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#7 13 years ago

i'm complaining because he lied to my face, took credit for my work. i amm a perfectionist when it comes to sound. i put a lot of work into my sound collection (and yes, i have made sounds from scratch, i have a sabre activation made of a snake hiss), and not only did he steal my work and claim it as his own, he lowered the quality of the mod. he put in a jump sound that was blank, a lightning sound that diddn't work, and a bunch of choppy movie rips i've heard in other mods. he also eliminated all the sulety of the wilhelm, making it every scream of both troopers. it's safe to say he did no work beyond maybe 5 minutes of renaming files.




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#8 13 years ago

Would you have noticed/cared had it not had such great success?

In the future, if you do not want the risk of your work being used in this way, put a notice in your read-me. I will remove the mod, however, because your complaint is valid. You did do extra work to these sounds and that can make them considered at least partly your own work. Keep in mind, however, that anyone else can use the sounds if they include your read-me, so if there is a mod using your sounds that performs well, we won't be able to remove it unless you provide us with a very valid reason why.

Edit: It has been done.




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#9 13 years ago

it's sucess is irrelevant, it's only because it's on jedi academy, which i don't have. i was willing to reason with him, that's why i talked to him on msn, i needed help making my mod for jedi academy, and i was willing to overlook what he did. but he lied to me. there is no way it could have been an accident or mistake if he's going to lie like that. he'd have to be a master sound editor to remove the jeeps sounds from the "raiders" wilhelm

Inyri ForgeKeep in mind, however, that anyone else can use the sounds if they include your read-me, so if there is a mod using your sounds that performs well, we won't be able to remove it unless you provide us with a very valid reason why.

i'll have no problem with that.

thank you for your help.




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#10 13 years ago

its plagurisim to a point. i mean even if you used a name in star wars its plagurisim. personally i rather think of it bad as hell if they use it for comercial gain.




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