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DiNeRo

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#1 9 years ago

whats a general opinion on them around here? just wondering, because imho cannon models are much better than random fanmade ones lol




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#2 9 years ago

Aside from the rules, you mean?

Well, they're illegal for starters, so honest people won't want to touch them.

It's also theft, which again appeals to one's honesty and conscience.

Then there's the blatant dishonesty of plagiarism, which happens far more often than not, and even in cases where the converter isn't actively trying to plagiarise there'll always be a point where they're not perfectly clear in stating that they didn't make the stuff, always taking some sort of credit for other people's work.

Developers of the recreational, freelance and professional varieties are also linked by their choice of hobby/career. Thus professional courtesy, mutual respect and ethics comes into play quite a lot.

I think you get where I'm going with this.

Whereas most non-modders have no problem with using ported materials, it's rather surprising how many modders have absolutely no qualms about porting and messing with ported stuff, given how much they'd bitch and whine and feel angry and hurt if someone else did the same stuff with their work.

Although if you wanted me to break it down into a very rude "IMO", it's the craft of spineless chickens who want all the respect without having to earn any of it like the rest of the world had to. Leeches, who come in, drain all the glory from every bugger else, and ultimately leave hard-working individuals feeling bitter and disillusioned.


I don't know how, and I don't know why, but this is totally Sheep's fault.



GlitchMasterShmit

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#3 9 years ago

porting is what lazy people do.




_Snow

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#4 9 years ago

I find if you give them credit and you dont make it into a abomination of nature like those kyle skins which have on the back "im stupid", i feel just fine about it. Having things from other games that your bored of but still like somethings, so bringing it to another game to have even more fun with it is just blanent fun. Also these models or items your port were MADE to play with, not to be used once and then throwen away to never see better games.




General Jaxun

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#5 9 years ago

As amazing a mod it is, that star wars one for freelancer uses an abundancy of Star Wars Galaxies models, which ultimately ticked me off, because of the work SOE put into said product. The starships were easily the best parts of that game, and they all but stole the Star Destroyer. Do I feel guilty for asking Ashura to convert a model for flight? AKA The Moldy Crow? Absolutely not. I did my part in it all by finally bringing up the situation, and that there was some demand for it from JKA players, and editing part of the skin to keep it in line with canon. Most credit, however, goes to AshuraDX for converting it into a great and usable spaceship. The makers of said model and effects were completely fine with us using it for our needs, and therefore, it is okay. It is a justified creation, and uses the most accurate reference ever created of The Moldy Crow. So, do I feel guilty for using this thing? No. I talked to Darth_Linux previously, before even asking about making this thing, and he said I could use it for whatever I wanted to. AshuraDX also did this, and he also go confirmation. They now have the flyable version of the ship, and I'm absolutely sure they are currently enjoying the hell out of it, because AshuraDX makes fine works of art. Importing models is fine, so long as both parites are okay with it. You just have to get permission to use it, and you also have to make it very clear that you did not make it. Do I get a feeling that the guys making Freeworlds actually asked to use the models? Nope. I don't think they did. But if the company who made it says you can use it, I am perfectly okay with it, so long as that person doesn't take credit for it's work. However, you CAN take credit for any changes, so long as you mention that you didn't make the base file. I have stated that I only edited the cockpit of The Moldy Crow, for initially, my own personal use. Then I decided to use it for this, but never have I said that I myself made the skin itself. Even if I did a complete overhaul of it, I would ultimately say that I did not make the base of it, but simpmy edited or recolored it. If I ever got into modeling, and added parts, I still never made the model. So long as you do the following... 1: Ask all involved parties and persons for permissions. 2: State OVER AND OVER AND OVER again, that you DID NOT make the base files. 3: DONT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB. 4: DON'T QUOTE THAT STUPID MOVIE.




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#6 9 years ago

Okay, now, I should point out three things here.

1) If you're going to accuse people, get proof. Or at least know what you're waffling on about.

2) You can't use the actions of others to justify your own actions.

3) That Moldy Crow is a third-party model made for a JA mod, right? In that case, if you believe that's what "ported models" refers to then you have completely missed the whole point.

I'm not going to go any deeper on account of the fact I might end up saying something someone might take exception to, but, seriously. Methinks you might have jumped the shark a little bit.

You're mostly right on the crediting policy, though, although from my experience the only way to make sure any sort of crediting policy is actually upheld is to enforce a rule about content from other games in general, whether it's stock or mod.


I don't know how, and I don't know why, but this is totally Sheep's fault.



General Jaxun

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#7 9 years ago

I understand what ported models means. You know what I mean as well. I'm no idiot. But I highly doubt they got permission, due to the fact SOE is not exactly what you would call... Co-operative. At least, not in my experience. In Star Wars Galaxies, they completely ignored the core fanbase, and made it into garbage. Complete and utter garbage. All that was truly redeeming was space flight, and they got all the right ships for us to fly too.

Though an HWK-290 wouldhave been uber cool... But, really. I'm not accusing them of anything, but I simply doubt that SOE actually gave them permission. Though, they probably don't care at all, either. I mean, if they didn't care what their fanbase thought, then why would they care if somebody used their stuff, right? But as stated. Get permission, and give as much credit as possible no matter what, though that amount of time getting permission, converting the models, and rigging them, THEN giving credit... Well, that time couldhave been used to make something better.

Though I WILL admit. Star Destroyer models don't come in much higher detail than what SOE pulled off. That was ART right there, although they completely forgot the interior hangar bays. Doh'.




kidoncrack

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#8 9 years ago

Question, if I were to make something based on another game, would that be considered porting?

In Example: If I were to create a 3D vehicle model of the Viper from the 2D game Escape Velocity: Nova, would that be considered porting?




minilogoguy18

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#9 9 years ago

^No

Make your own models, I especially hate all the people on the void who 'claim' to model when everything is clearly edited base models.




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#10 9 years ago

kidoncrack;4955519Question, if I were to make something based on another game, would that be considered porting?

In Example: If I were to create a 3D vehicle model of the Viper from the 2D game Escape Velocity: Nova, would that be considered porting?

No, porting is when you take a model from one game and convert it to work with a completely different game. There's nothing wrong with EV ships remade for JA, in fact, it'd be kewl.

I'll just throw in my two cents in case someone hasn't said it yet: if you're going to port something with permission, include something else with your mod that is at least equal in work to the ported material. Don't be a leech and get permission to slap your name on something and re-release it.