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Sefiroth

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#1 9 years ago

Helle peoples. Well I'm back (hopefully) to playing JK3 again and I'm having a problem. I was lucky enough to find myself an official 360 controller (wired) to use on my PC. However JK3 recognizes all buttons except the Left and Right of the 2nd joystick, it only recognizes up and down. Does anyone know of a way to fix this or if there's like any patch or anything?




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#2 9 years ago

Use keyboard and mouse. That is my solution to your problem :p. Nah, but I do not know anything about controllers hooked up to PC.




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#3 9 years ago

Yes, nice answer however the last time I used a keyboard and mouse they got really fucked up and I had to buy new ones. So..Uhm...Yea. Plus Controllers are more comfortable...at least the gamepad ones are.




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#4 9 years ago

You may be able to use a third-party profiler to get it working correctly, but I wouldn't hold my breath. JA is an old game, and the 360 is far more sophisticated than HIDs were when JA was developed.

[COLOR=DarkOrange]For people interested in my reasoning, here's the long version:[/COLOR] The problem really stems from the fact that the 360 uses six axis instead of the standard four. Older games can only accomodate four axis since back then, that's the most you could get. The 360 controller's triggers have to function as axis because DirectInput's support for pressure-sensitive buttons is minimal at best, for compatibility reasons.

While the technology is the same in older and newer controllers, the more buttons and axis a controller has, the more complex it's functions become. Some games just have a limit to how much complexity then can accomodate. I have a twelve-button joystick, but Rogue Squadron 3D only allows me to use four buttons, as do most older games. It's all relative.

So your controller is fine. You'll notice that games such as San Andreas and Test Drive Unlimited will allow you to use all six of the controller's axis (the triggers for acceleration and braking, complete with pressure sensitivity). JA, being an older game, just has less sophisticated input mapping, to the point where it can only accomodate a maximum of four analog axis.

[COLOR=DarkGreen]To sum it up in one short snappy sentence, for those who don't give a flying fart:[/COLOR] JA's old and dim-witted.


I don't know how, and I don't know why, but this is totally Sheep's fault.



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#5 9 years ago
Mikouen;4842433JA's old and dim-witted.

With all due respect, if you dislike JA so much, what are you doing on the JA forums??

There are a lot of coding errors and limitations, sure...and a bloated engine that should be enhanced and stripped down a bit for better framerates. But that's no reason to blast the game to oblivion....it's nearly 6 years old, and the engine itself is even older. Comparing it to newer games is kind of unfair...




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#6 9 years ago

I was going to say something along the lines of how it's input mapping is more limited due to current standards of technology back in 2003, but that would've sounded suspiciously like the long version, thus defeating the purpose.

The game's primitive by 2003's standards, although that's more the fault of Raven Software for picking inferior technology for the time and then doing insufficient development work to bring it to current standards. Saying the game is dim-witted, though, isn't entirely unaccurate since it should be able to figure out how to respond to controllers just by using simple logic. Not that that's a problem exclusive to Jedi Academy - when it comes to logical interpretation of hardware functions, you'll probably find that most software is rather 'lacking' in that department.

Either way, that's neither here nor there.

For something more relevant to the topic at hand, you could always look at the XBCD custom drivers for the controller, but to my knowledge they don't come supplied with a built-in profiler so you may not be any better off than you already are. I'd still recommend getting them since they're more tweakable than the default Microsoft drivers.


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#7 9 years ago

Thanks for the advice Kouen. I'll look into it.