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eezstreet

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#21 9 years ago
Raz0r;5414738FileFront didn't reverse engineer it. The issue is in FileFront not wanting a C&D or worse. Still waiting on official word before we can give the green light to these legally questionable files.

Yes, yes, I know. But he raised the point that if the file was hosted in the EU, then it wouldn't matter (which is BS anyway as far as I can tell)




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#22 9 years ago

FileFront's submission rules clearly state that :-

"http://jediknight3.filefront.com/upload/"We will not accept any files whose contents seem legally questionable;[/quote] As Razor says, this is legally questionable so we can't host it.

[QUOTE=UU_BobaFett;5413266]Zlyden, the issue here is not whether the DLL 'n all is legal or not, but the possible consequences it has for FileFront if it hosts it.

See, the DLL you made, and the means you've used to create it, put it in a legal grey are, if you will. So while you could argue that it's legal, others could argue the opposite, and the last thing FileFront wants is to be involved in a lawsuit over that file, as unlikely as such a lawsuit might be. So all that's happening here, is that the staff's taking the safe approach, and not host the file, just in case.

BobaFett hit the nail on the head with his comment here.

The issue is that it's legally questionable enough for lawyers to spend an eternity debating it in court. We can debate about which way the ruling would go, but the point is that anything that's that questionable isn't something we can host.

I know some people will be disappointed by this, but it's necessary to protect all of the other JK3 material we host.




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#23 9 years ago

America - land of the lawsuits. Computer, activate emergency advocate program.

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#24 9 years ago
eezstreet;5414740Yes, yes, I know. But he raised the point that if the file was hosted in the EU, then it wouldn't matter (which is BS anyway as far as I can tell)

Not to get off topic, but since you implied that I would ever post something that was BS, I request that you read EU Directive 91/250/EEC (and subsequently its codification in 2009/24/EC) and then please retract your statement :).

But more importantly, Filefront certainly has the right to reject content on any grounds, least of which is a feasibly gray legal area, so there's nothing inherently wrong with their current position anyways.

However, this raises an issue with the consistency of Filefront itself in defining its own principles and standards, as outside of JK3files, there are countless examples of content being hosted that is a direct result of reverse engineering. I point to the entirety of kotorfiles for example, as there have never been any official modding resources for KotOR provided by Bioware, LucasArts, or any other official developer (do correct me if I'm wrong), meaning that nearly every single mod hosted in kotorfiles is legally questionable in that it could not possibly have been created without reverse engineering. So I wonder, does Filefront apply different standards to each of its individual subdomains, or are the standards only reflective of the content hosted insomuch as the independent reviewers interpret them? Please note that I'm not making any moral judgments of "right" or "wrong" in either case.




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#25 9 years ago

What if the file wiil be located outside your site? I mean, the file page will be returned, but the file will be replaced with "Download from" link to my site?




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#26 9 years ago

Zlyden;5418641What if the file wiil be located outside your site? I mean, the file page will be returned, but the file will be replaced with "Download from" link to my site?[/QUOTE]

We can't do. I did check this with the Community Manager to be absolutely clear. If it breaks our submission rules then we can't host it, or put up a file info page with a redirect to elseware.

~*Seto*~;5416164Not to get off topic, but since you implied that I would ever post something that was BS, I request that you read EU Directive 91/250/EEC (and subsequently its codification in 2009/24/EC) and then please retract your statement :).

But more importantly, Filefront certainly has the right to reject content on any grounds, least of which is a feasibly gray legal area, so there's nothing inherently wrong with their current position anyways.

However, this raises an issue with the consistency of Filefront itself in defining its own principles and standards, as outside of JK3files, there are countless examples of content being hosted that is a direct result of reverse engineering. I point to the entirety of kotorfiles for example, as there have never been any official modding resources for KotOR provided by Bioware, LucasArts, or any other official developer (do correct me if I'm wrong), meaning that nearly every single mod hosted in kotorfiles is legally questionable in that it could not possibly have been created without reverse engineering.

I'm from the Armada community. Excluding the map editors we weren't given any support for modding and that didn't stop us learning how to create mods for it, and it's successor Armada II. Making minor modifications to script files to change something ingame is a long established part of modding, and not something that breaks any laws i'm aware of.

[QUOTE=~*Seto*~;5416164] So I wonder, does Filefront apply different standards to each of its individual subdomains, or are the standards only reflective of the content hosted insomuch as the independent reviewers interpret them? Please note that I'm not making any moral judgments of "right" or "wrong" in either case.

The rules are consistent across the network. Obviously, the enforcement of those rules depends on the reviewer and given that we are only human mistakes can be made; this file going up and then coming down being a case in point.

As you say though, this is getting fairly off topic. If you'd like to discuss this further, please feel free to PM or email me.