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holty12345

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#1 8 years ago

well the name is in the title i decide to post this here and at lucas forums to get max publicity here is the lucas forum link: [WIP] Recruiting the jedi on the endar spire - LucasForums for some reason i couldnt post pictures on lucas forums but i know i can here. (LF one was before i found bugs and i havnt said about them there yet) well after reading a couple of treads over at LF a fair few people had requested this so i thought how hard can it be. my anwser surprisingly is not as hard as people made it seem. so far i have correctly made a recruitment script that replaces T3. (yet i havnt got up to the bit where he joins the party :p) but unfortantly there is ONE MAJOR bug allow me to explain: do you remeber the door that when you open it triggers trask to fight bandon. well if i open this door with the jedi/PC trask warps to the dorms and on his way back a sealed door blocks his way and the game is at a perminant stand point. now if i enter with trask the jedi warps to the room but the movie happens but now..... the jedi is stuck :( and the door which links you to the starboard section no longer works:bawl: BUT!!!! if i make the jedi get stuck i can then use warp codes to enter the starboard section with the jedi!!!!!! =p:p my other proplems are that the jedi seems a bit wooden as she wont instantly follow the PC maybe thats just a setting prop i think her faction is friendly 1 (il compare to Party Members later) and since i made her first dialgue her recruit script (she says: hello i say: join me she says: yes (script here) but thats all the dialogue now (more later) Yes i know this has been long but its the biggest mod ive worked on. and unlike must people i have not talked about a Total Conversion mod i have neither the skill or the time to do. i will keep you updated. AND THIS MOD WILL BE COMPLETED:beer: :bows:

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#2 8 years ago

Wow, very good job holty. I will definantly download this as soon as it is done.




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#3 8 years ago

Would love to hear what the storyline behind this mod is. A Jedi Padawan joins the party on the Endar Spire!

A couple of story ideas spring to mind:

Option 1: The most obvious, and easiest option. The Jedi Padawan, if she was fit to fight, would naturally want to fight Darth Bandon on the Endar Spire. So both Trask and the Jedi Padawan stay to fight Darth Bandon, and both get killed, while you head for the escape pods alone. (Reason for this: The Jedi Padawan is Bastila's apprentice. Like Bastila, she knows your real identity as the former Darth Revan, she is in on the Jedi plot to use you against Darth Malak, and she knows that she has to protect you at all costs, and save you from being killed by the Sith. So, like Trask, she sacrifices herself to allow you to escape.) Rest of the game proceeds as normal.

Option 2: The whole party, you, Trask, and the Jedi Padawan stay to fight Darth Bandon on the Endar Spire - and kill him! Then the Jedi, Trask, and Carth all come with you in the Escape Pod to Taris. (I really HATE this option, makes Darth Bandon WAY too wimpy - he's a Sith Lord, Malak's apprentice! Bandon shouldn't be that easy for low level characters to kill, even three against one he should slaughter you all the way a Tusken Raider would slaughter Jawas!) Plus it ruins the later Darth Bandon storyline.

Option 3: Here's a MUCH better idea - you all fight Darth Bandon together (Trask and the Jedi are not actually in the party at this point, they've been scripted out, so they fight as uncontrollable non-party NPC's) - but you CAN'T win this fight, it's an unwinnable battle, Darth Bandon is just TOO strong to defeat! The only way to 'win' the encounter is for your player character to run away, leaving the other two to die! This will make you feel like a treacherous, cowardly, gutless shithead (and Carth will NOT be impressed with you, lol! Brilliant opportunity for some really funny dialogue here!) BUT, it's actually the right thing to do if you just cannot win a battle! This is a GREAT story option, IMO, I love it! Instead of you having the 'excuse' of the door shutting in your face and you can't open it to help Trask, which is what happens in the game now, the player actually has to DECIDE to run away! You have to actually MAKE that choice for yourself, horrible though it is, otherwise you just die! That would be so cool....makes the story so much better. It's kind of Revan-like and Dark Side-ish to just save yourself and to hell with everyone else! You should get Dark Side points for doing it, too - your first Dark Side points of the game, and there's no way to avoid them either! No matter how good you are after this, you have to start the game as a kind of 'bad guy'....

Option 4: The Jedi Padawan stays to fight Darth Bandon alone, and gets killed (same reason as Option 1). Trask goes with the Player Character (you) and reaches Carth Onasi. So Trask comes with you in the Escape Pod to Taris! This version is just a way to keep Trask in the party. Maybe he leaves the party later, on Dantooine for example - or maybe Trask is scripted to get killed by Calo Nord during the final battle in Davik's Hangar Bay (giving you a reason to get revenge on Calo Nord!)

Option 5: The Jedi Padawan is alive, and supposedly joins the party, but is too badly wounded to fight. Only 1 hit point, and you can't heal her (her health is 'fixed' - just like Bastila doesn't take damage when fighting Brejik on Taris after the Swoop Race.) So Trask still stays behind on the Endar Spire to fight Darth Bandon, while the badly wounded Jedi Padawan comes with you and Carth in the Escape Pod to Taris. Maybe she survives all of Taris and escapes with you and Bastila to Dantooine, or maybe she is scripted to get killed by Calo Nord in the Hangar Bay (my favorite choice.)

If the Jedi Padawan survives Taris, she can replace Juhani in the game storyline, like the 'Recruitable Kay' mod. Actually, you might want to make your mod a new 'beginning' to that one....it would be just a way of recruiting her earlier (Recruitable Kay is currently a Jedi you meet on Tatooine.)

IMPORTANT: Here's a tip for possibly making the Jedi Padawan 'follow' the player on the Endar Spire WITHOUT actually joining the party yet! Remember Janice Nall's Droid Shop on Taris? Remember that you can buy a cheap utility droid there? No, not T3-M4, the OTHER droid in the shop - T3-H2 or something like that. You buy it for 50 credits, then it follows you, but unlike T3-M4, it DOESN'T become a party member! It follows you around the shop just like a party member would, but when you leave the shop, the droid blows up!

If you can find the script for that droid, you can copy it and mod it to make the Jedi Padawan on the Endar Spire follow you, but without becoming a party member. This could be useful if you want to script her not to fight on the Endar Spire, for example, maybe because she's too badly wounded.




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#4 8 years ago

@Spike1942 some good idea but im not looking to add a real story. she joins trask dies she stays. reason she's too tired to fight DB and trask is like a jedi is more important than me i must sacfice. plus im not that good of a scripter to change story like that.

below are my screen shots of the bugs there seems to be a proplem with the doors like your not ment to have that many party members at that time. but i have a solution :) this is only a maybe but i my edit the original jedi the a normal soilder. then edit one of the sith's in the starboard section to the jedi who then joins you. (its a possibal solution but i will properly do it if i cant find a solution that dosnt involve using warp codes)

screen shots of proplem and solution below

this mod will be completed :cheer:

Update: when ever there is somthing that needs Updating :feedback:




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#5 8 years ago

OK, your story is a bit like my Option 5 then, except the Jedi Padawan joins the party and helps you fight your way through to the escape pods.

But - what are you going to do with her on Taris and afterwords? She won't have any dialogue, so will be a very boring character...."Huh, this Jedi is so stuck up she won't even talk to anyone. What a bitch!" LOL! Or, even worse, she might make T3-M4's beeping noises! LOL!!!! An insane Jedi who thinks she's a droid, great!

And you could have a problem with getting the Sith Base doors open without T3-M4. Don't know what will happen then! This could be a major bug....

Three possibilities as to what will happen: 1. Your Jedi will manage to open the doors somehow anyway, hopefully this is what will happen! But if not... 2. Your Jedi won't be able to open the doors because she's not T3-M4. Oops. 3. You get T3-M4 and the game crashes because your Jedi is already occupying his slot! Oops!!! 4. You get T3-M4 and he 'overwrites' your Jedi in the party slots, so effectively your Jedi disappears from the party at that time. Note: A 'story' like way of explaining this to players is that if you blackmail Janice Nall and get T3-M4 for free (Dark Side option, saves 1500 credits) - then this pisses your Jedi off, so she leaves the party and you never see her again. (Presumably she dies when Taris gets wasted.)

Oh well, you'll have fun finding out what she does at the Sith Base. You'd better test this before releasing the mod, otherwise you could upset a lot of people using the mod if they can't get the Sith Base doors open!

It might be easier and less buggy to put her in Juhani's slot, and then the player has to kill Juhani on Dantooine.




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#6 8 years ago

@spike1942 ok first the door does not openwith t3 its just a set skill level the jedi will have 44 security so no prop there

secondly she will have some diolgue but im replacing T3 who has no dioluge any way so whats the difference

and if i replace juhani im replacing a jedi with another jedi. but the new jedi has no background story or quest

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so t3 is the only good 1 to change.

another quick update after being unable to fix door bug belive me ive tried i have edited other characters on the endar spire 1 being the same as the jedi in looks and stats the original jedi is now a normal soilder

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#7 8 years ago

Oh, so you edited this Jedi's skill scores to give her 44 security rating? OK, that's one way to get into the Sith base...she doesn't need that much security though, 14 is probably enough!

Well done on swapping her position with a Republic soldier - so the jedi is in the final part of the Endar Spire now? Good, she never sees Darth Bandon now, so the issue with that is gone.

Personally, I'd stick her in the same room as the broken security droid. I like the challenge of getting there alone, especially fighting two Sith troopers single-handed. Also, you could then use her as a way of getting through the squad of five troopers in the last room, instead of blowing up a conduit or repairing the security droid.




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Oh, so you edited this Jedi's skill scores to give her 44 security rating? OK, that's one way to get into the Sith base...she doesn't need that much security though, 14 is probably enough!

yes i know 44 is a lot but better safe than sorry plus it is another reason why this jedi is better than t3

Personally, I'd stick her in the same room as the broken security droid. I like the challenge of getting there alone, especially fighting two Sith troopers single-handed. Also, you could then use her as a way of getting through the squad of five troopers in the last room, instead of blowing up a conduit or repairing the security droid.

I understand what your saying but..... the door before the group of like 5 people will only open if you have talked to the droid or activated the electro thing (or at least it is for me!) but in all seriousness she will be the sith you fight before the two guys (cause he's alone)

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forgot to add spike1942 its good to see your quite interessted in this project if you have K1 you can be a BETA tester when im finished

also to anwser what will happen when T3 joins your party i changed hios Tag to *Insert Random key bashing* so he shouldnt be recruited ok its time for me to test it wish me luck:p=p:cool: Screenies coming soon




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#9 8 years ago
holty12345;5231110 but in all seriousness she will be the sith you fight before the two guys (cause he's alone)

OK, but that makes Carth sound a bit stupid when he warns you about that guard (he tells me to sneak past him using my stealth skill, because I always have that skill.) If that's a Jedi instead, then Carth is a prat who can't tell the difference between a Sith trooper and a Jedi! lol

Happy to beta test if you like!




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#10 8 years ago
Spike1942;5231141OK, but that makes Carth sound a bit stupid when he warns you about that guard (he tells me to sneak past him using my stealth skill, because I always have that skill.) If that's a Jedi instead, then Carth is a prat who can't tell the difference between a Sith trooper and a Jedi! lol

guess i never thought of that ok new update. after finding out about this i also found out that sith shares a file name with other siths so to avoid many of these jedi's running around the place. she will now replace the assult driod mening you will have to use computer spikes on the computer panel to kill the sith instead (or fight them if thats possibal) News: On Beta The beta mod will be released soon in the next week to 2 months newer versions will include things like possibal VO (as this version does not) More dialogue like banter and bits where characters jump in (like Hk on korriban "just a simple driod ma'am nothing to see here) releasedate.gif more screenies coming soon




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