Bastila: Jedi Babe or Jedi Bitch? -1 reply

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Darth Dracon

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#1 10 years ago

Bastila has to be one of the few female Jedi characters that we know quite a bit about. Other than Nomi Sunrider's well documented history and a few biographies of some other Jedi women, we harldy know much about the women that served the republic as Knights of the Jedi Order. I think that we (I mean males), tend to view our female heroines differently than our realworld female counterparts do. Bastila showed her arrogance and her inexperince in her youth by trying to give your PC (an amnesiatic Revan) whatfore only to be put in her place by your new buddy Carth. Her pride got in the way. But her ferocity in battle and courage stood out amongst her flaws. Of course, she started to love the PC (again, if you were male) and understand his point of view and his way of thinking. But was it because she loved Revan, or was it because she loved what Revan had become after Malak betrayed him? Bastila's giving into Malak's torture, becoming his apprentice and her evetual redemption is a classic story in SW mythos. It parallels much of what Revan went through, insomuch as to say that Revan fought, fell and was redeemed. In contrast to Revan as a full Jedi Knight that was headstrong, Bastila was still a Padawan, but very headstrong; Revan was power personified; Bastila was trying to master the power in her; Revan was sure of his path; Bastila was trying to find hers; Revan had fallen from grace; Batila had found her breaking point; Revan was ultimately redeemed through a fabricated half-truth; Bastila was redeemed through love. All in all, with her character flaws, her high and mighty adhereance to the Jedi Code, her pissing you off with her constant lecturing and the ultimate satisfaction that you got her to admit that she wanted to do the galactic mambo with you puts Bastila in my book as a little bit both Jedi Babe and Jedi Bitch. Discuss....




Jedijax

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#2 10 years ago

"Bastila has to be one of the few female Jedi characters that we know quite a bit about. Other than Nomi Sunrider's well documented history and a few biographies of some other Jedi women, we harldy know much about the women that served the republic as Knights of the Jedi Order." Well, not really. Perhaps she is one of the few we know from that particular period of Jedi history, but certainly we have plenty of material on female Jedi Knights throughout history. Take Aayla Secura for example, or perhaps Darra Thel-Tannis, or Tahiri Velia, or many many other fully described and portrayed Jedi heroines, and these are not main characters like Mara Jade or Jaina Solo. "Revan was sure of his path; Bastila was trying to find hers; Revan had fallen from grace; Batila had found her breaking point; Revan was ultimately redeemed through a fabricated half-truth; Bastila was redeemed through love." I think the only time I see Revan being sure of his path is in the time-frame between KOTOR and TSL. Like many of the main characters in the Star Wars Saga, as you have mentioned, The Revanchist is a dicothomy, a contradictory individual who has yet to decide where he stands, what he wants and where he is going. Though I would like to think he was sure of his path during the Mandalorian Wars, more and more am I faced with evidence pointing at one of two possibilities: Either he failed miserably as a self-procclaimed "savior", or he was manipulated; and since both present a mistaken path for Revan, I don't think he even knew his path before the High Jedi Council brainwashed him. Now, after his new persona is introduced via the game, we find him tumbling around the galaxy, never sure of anything but what everybody tells him, starting with his true identity. The only moment I see a sure, whole Revanchist is when he decides, by himself, on his own terms, to leave for the Unknown Regions. I don't remember any other moment of true determination, I mean, admitted by canon, since one, as the player, may act entirely determined, adding one's own determination to an open game character. Sad as it may be, Bastila appears to be a cloned sci-fi version of Aribeth de Tylmarande, the main heroine/traitor in Neverwinter Nights, a game on which I find KOTOR to be quite based in terms of storyline, game mechanics and even character development. It doesn't come as a surprise, since the same people made both. Neverthless, I have always loved Bastila Shan. Some may find her irritating, but since I love to bounce around people and make them mad with my silly jokes, I think I would have loved the way she takes everything so seriously. She is beautiful, has a great body and is a Force-user... What else is there to expect from a girl in the Star Wars universe!!?? Now, let us hope someone finally hears my plea and makes a texture of her nude, yes COMPLETELY AND EXPLICITELY NAKED, in hi-res, please? =p




The Crusader

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#3 10 years ago

Nah, she's not a bitch. She's just a woman. :lol: But everything she does up until the climax, she does to help Revan.




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#4 10 years ago

She's a bitch......but I'd hit it.




DarthRiccardo

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#5 10 years ago

She is a babe...not a bitch




Darth Dracon

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#6 10 years ago
Jedijax;4342696"Bastila has to be one of the few female Jedi characters that we know quite a bit about. Other than Nomi Sunrider's well documented history and a few biographies of some other Jedi women, we harldy know much about the women that served the republic as Knights of the Jedi Order." Well, not really. Perhaps she is one of the few we know from that particular period of Jedi history, but certainly we have plenty of material on female Jedi Knights throughout history. Take Aayla Secura for example, or perhaps Darra Thel-Tannis, or Tahiri Velia, or many many other fully described and portrayed Jedi heroines, and these are not main characters like Mara Jade or Jaina Solo. "Revan was sure of his path; Bastila was trying to find hers; Revan had fallen from grace; Batila had found her breaking point; Revan was ultimately redeemed through a fabricated half-truth; Bastila was redeemed through love." I think the only time I see Revan being sure of his path is in the time-frame between KOTOR and TSL. Like many of the main characters in the Star Wars Saga, as you have mentioned, The Revanchist is a dicothomy, a contradictory individual who has yet to decide where he stands, what he wants and where he is going. Though I would like to think he was sure of his path during the Mandalorian Wars, more and more am I faced with evidence pointing at one of two possibilities: Either he failed miserably as a self-procclaimed "savior", or he was manipulated; and since both present a mistaken path for Revan, I don't think he even knew his path before the High Jedi Council brainwashed him. Now, after his new persona is introduced via the game, we find him tumbling around the galaxy, never sure of anything but what everybody tells him, starting with his true identity. The only moment I see a sure, whole Revanchist is when he decides, by himself, on his own terms, to leave for the Unknown Regions. I don't remember any other moment of true determination, I mean, admitted by canon, since one, as the player, may act entirely determined, adding one's own determination to an open game character. Sad as it may be, Bastila appears to be a cloned sci-fi version of Aribeth de Tylmarande, the main heroine/traitor in Neverwinter Nights, a game on which I find KOTOR to be quite based in terms of storyline, game mechanics and even character development. It doesn't come as a surprise, since the same people made both. Neverthless, I have always loved Bastila Shan. Some may find her irritating, but since I love to bounce around people and make them mad with my silly jokes, I think I would have loved the way she takes everything so seriously. She is beautiful, has a great body and is a Force-user... What else is there to expect from a girl in the Star Wars universe!!?? Now, let us hope someone finally hears my plea and makes a texture of her nude, yes COMPLETELY AND EXPLICITELY NAKED, in hi-res, please? =p

First of all, you are a sad, sick little man. :lol: Hi-res nude skins of a nude video game character????/:Puzzled: (Somebody call a shrink...shhhhhh!) Anyway, what I was trying to get at was that Bastila is the only female Jedi as a playable character, aside from Mara Jade Skywalker (and the Exile, but let's not get into that), that I have come across in a video game. And Bastila is the only one with a back story that is revealed in game adding to her well documented life as a Jedi plus the only female in game and on paper to have her history told. (I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT KREIA, KAE, VISAS, MIRA, JUHANI, ATRIS OR ANY OTHER IN GAME CHARACTER. KEEP READING AND YOU'LL UNDERSTAND.) I know that there are several other female Jedi that one can easily look up and also thanks to the Clone Wars cartoons, one can see a few of them in action, but that's not the point. In playing Bastila, in interacting with her, experiencing her emotions and her struggle and also reading about her history gives her more reality than any other female Jedi. It's the same with Luke Skywalker or Darth Vader; we grew up with these characters, read hundreds of pieces of information, read about their adventures in comic books, played with the toys, saw the movies and created a special bond with each of them. We knew what they were like and how they were going to react. What I am saying is this is similar to what we have learned and experienced with Bastila. I do not have that connection with AurA Sing or Vergere or Shak Ti or Mara Jade Skywalker or Nomi Sunrider or any other female Jedi/Sith. Because of the mass amount of info on Bastila, one can come to a fair conclusion about her. You can even explore her personality more because of the in game experience than you can with a character that has only appeared in print and on film and is a certain way when we meet her. With Bastila, you actually have a hand in guiding her down the light side path or helping to turn her to the dark side. That is powerful, intoxicating, a little erotically seductive when you think about it. (I know what you're going to say JediJax, and my statement is nowhere near as disturbing as yours above!). You are invloved in her well being or her distruction. That is power that you can not buy! When do we ever get a chance to do that with other SW characters? So, even though we have a deal to do with how Bastila turns out in game, despite canon, she is already beset on her path, we just get to push her in certain directions. But she still remains both a Jedi Babe and a Jedi Bitch. Cheers.:cya:




JCarter426

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#7 10 years ago

:rofl: Love the title! I voted both. Is an explanation really necessary? :p

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Oh, all right. You people are so demanding.

First, I agree with DarthDracon that Bastila is one of the only well-documented female Jedi as of yet. One reason, of course, is that Star Wars is very male-oriented (as is most sci-fi). It has only been in recent years that LucasBooks and LucasArts have been (successfully) trying to draw a female audience. And so in recent years we've been introduced to more and more female Jedi characters who do more than just look pretty--Mara Jade, Bastila Shan, and most recently Celeste Morne.

Second, Bastila is, without a doubt, a bitch. She constantly berates, even though she's no better than you, she's more stubborn and bitter than Vrook, and more conniving than Atris. But she is also a babe, for obvious reasons. No, not just that. :naughty: She plays a convincing romance interest, especially since that's not her only role (remember, LucasArts wants to draw a female crowd here ;)). The fact that she gives up that bitchiness proves it. However, we get to see in K1 that for Bastila, the extreme opposite of bitchiness is more bitchiness, since she falls to the dark side and tries to burn your ass. So, she's both; it's that simple.




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#8 10 years ago

JCarter426;4343899:rofl: Love the title! I voted both. Is an explanation really necessary? :p

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Oh, all right. You people are so demanding.

First, I agree with DarthDracon that Bastila is one of the only well-documented female Jedi as of yet. One reason, of course, is that Star Wars is very male-oriented (as is most sci-fi). It has only been in recent years that LucasBooks and LucasArts have been (successfully) trying to draw a female audience. And so in recent years we've been introduced to more and more female Jedi characters who do more than just look pretty--Mara Jade, Bastila Shan, and most recently Celeste Morne.

Second, Bastila is, without a doubt, a bitch. She constantly berates, even though she's no better than you, she's more stubborn and bitter than Vrook, and more conniving than Atris. But she is also a babe, for obvious reasons. No, not just that. :naughty: She plays a convincing romance interest, especially since that's not her only role (remember, LucasArts wants to draw a female crowd here ;)). The fact that she gives up that bitchiness proves it. However, we get to see in K1 that for Bastila, the extreme opposite of bitchiness is more bitchiness, since she falls to the dark side and tries to burn your ass. So, she's both; it's that simple.

JCarter, you've summed it up better than I could have:bows:

Bastila is both.




Darth Dracon

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#9 10 years ago

Thanks, JCarter. That's what I was hoping you'd say!!!! If you hadn't I would have lost all hope in the galaxy and been forced to reply when a new noob put in his 2 cents.




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#10 10 years ago
Darth Dracon;4342913First of all, you are a sad, sick little man. :lol: Hi-res nude skins of a nude video game character????/:Puzzled: (Somebody call a shrink...shhhhhh!) Anyway, what I was trying to get at was that Bastila is the only female Jedi as a playable character, aside from Mara Jade Skywalker (and the Exile, but let's not get into that), that I have come across in a video game. And Bastila is the only one with a back story that is revealed in game adding to her well documented life as a Jedi plus the only female in game and on paper to have her history told. (I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT KREIA, KAE, VISAS, MIRA, JUHANI, ATRIS OR ANY OTHER IN GAME CHARACTER. KEEP READING AND YOU'LL UNDERSTAND.) I know that there are several other female Jedi that one can easily look up and also thanks to the Clone Wars cartoons, one can see a few of them in action, but that's not the point. In playing Bastila, in interacting with her, experiencing her emotions and her struggle and also reading about her history gives her more reality than any other female Jedi. It's the same with Luke Skywalker or Darth Vader; we grew up with these characters, read hundreds of pieces of information, read about their adventures in comic books, played with the toys, saw the movies and created a special bond with each of them. We knew what they were like and how they were going to react. What I am saying is this is similar to what we have learned and experienced with Bastila. I do not have that connection with AurA Sing or Vergere or Shak Ti or Mara Jade Skywalker or Nomi Sunrider or any other female Jedi/Sith. Because of the mass amount of info on Bastila, one can come to a fair conclusion about her. You can even explore her personality more because of the in game experience than you can with a character that has only appeared in print and on film and is a certain way when we meet her. With Bastila, you actually have a hand in guiding her down the light side path or helping to turn her to the dark side. That is powerful, intoxicating, a little erotically seductive when you think about it. (I know what you're going to say JediJax, and my statement is nowhere near as disturbing as yours above!). You are invloved in her well being or her distruction. That is power that you can not buy! When do we ever get a chance to do that with other SW characters? So, even though we have a deal to do with how Bastila turns out in game, despite canon, she is already beset on her path, we just get to push her in certain directions. But she still remains both a Jedi Babe and a Jedi Bitch. Cheers.:cya:

Firstly: Jedi babe... what makes you really think she's a bitch? Secondly: Lord Dracon... why do you always do that?


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