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Seikan

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#21 10 years ago

thanks you :D

"ive never been a fan of malak and honestly if they were to fight it wouldnt take ten seconds for kenobi to kill him"

"Malak is like a child to Obi-Wan"

"Against Revan though....... Yoda would just make him his bitch. Yeah, that's right, Revan would be Yoda's BEEOTCH!"

*that* is exaggerated, ok yoda probably beat revan and obi-wan malak, but: 1) The powers don't advance so much with the time, the weapons ok, but the force and duelling skills... if you're god, you're god, even kreia said that tulak hord was a really better duellinst that the jedis in kotor, is like said that an actually duellist in the real life was better than a samurai or a ninja, the time, new force powers... ok maybe but not an huge difference i think.

1)Even if the jedis like obi-wan and yoda are better that the games characters, they can't be gods who can beat them with one finger... Malak, ok he was really bad xD but revan, nihilus, kreia and even Sion, can be difficult to beat: -Revan one of the betters siths of his era, and maybe of all the times. -Nihilus: even that he's an slave of the force his very stronger and powerful -Kreia, she sems really powerful, and she's really crafty old woman °° -Sion: a guy who can regenerate his body like this, even if he's not very stronger his healing make him hard to kill. Ok their powers are exaggerated but is not a reason to think that they are just a child for the actually jedis/siths




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#22 10 years ago

Seikan;4837028I see that every body belive that all the games characters are weak °° ok obi-wan was a great jedi but all the movie character aren't the gratest jedis and siths of the history... we can't say that the jedis and sith before the movies are just weaks, if is that you will said that the child who help organa in the jedi temple can defeat nihilus or revan?>_>[/quote]

No we can't say that.......about all of them. Anakin, Yoda, Obi-Wan, Luke, Palpy and Vader are considered to be some of the most powerful force users in the whole Universe of Star Wars, expanded and normal. We can technically say that the pre-movie Jedi and Sith are weak in comparisan to lightsaber skills.

What child that helped Organa? Zek Jukassa didn't help Bail, he was just trying to escape from the clones

[quote=Seikan;4837199]thanks you :D

"ive never been a fan of malak and honestly if they were to fight it wouldnt take ten seconds for kenobi to kill him"

"Malak is like a child to Obi-Wan"

"Against Revan though....... Yoda would just make him his bitch. Yeah, that's right, Revan would be Yoda's BEEOTCH!"

*that* is exaggerated, ok yoda probably beat revan and obi-wan malak, but: 1) The powers don't advance so much with the time, the weapons ok, but the force and duelling skills... if you're god, you're god, even kreia said that tulak hord was a really better duellinst that the jedis in kotor, is like said that an actually duellist in the real life was better than a samurai or a ninja, the time, new force powers... ok maybe but not an huge difference i think.

1)Even if the jedis like obi-wan and yoda are better that the games characters, they can't be gods who can beat them with one finger... Malak, ok he was really bad xD but revan, nihilus, kreia and even Sion, can be difficult to beat: -Revan one of the betters siths of his era, and maybe of all the times. -Nihilus: even that he's an slave of the force his very stronger and powerful -Kreia, she sems really powerful, and she's really crafty old woman °° -Sion: a guy who can regenerate his body like this, even if he's not very stronger his healing make him hard to kill. Ok their powers are exaggerated but is not a reason to think that they are just a child for the actually jedis/siths

To the First bolded section:Yoda is one of the greatest Jedi in history, G-level canon fact. If he went to the dark side.....heh....buh-bye Galaxy.

Second Bolded Section:Kreia's statement is snuffed out once again by G-level canon, which says that Prequel Movie time (I II III) saber skills and force powers were at their highest.

To your list I'm posting my arguments now.

-Revan: WE HAVE NO FRIKIN IDEA ABOUT HIS SKILLS! He is completely unknown, as he was controled by the player. -Nihilus: His hunger is his weakness, but true, I don't see how Obi-Wan could defeat him. -Kreia: She is powerful, but against Yoda, Mace, Obi-wan and Palpy, she would go down fairly quickly, maybe an hour if not two. -Sion: Bad example. Sion's powers are tied to his will, if you cause him to doubt everything, and erode said will, he dies.

Therefore, we can see Obi-Wan's powers through the movies and we can see his dueling skills, but with Revan we cannot. Therefore, Obi-Wan wins.

Oh and welcome to the forums.:cya: Here's a beer:beer:


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Seikan

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#23 10 years ago

For Revan we knows that he was the master of Dark bane, well, an holocron of revan... and he learns to bane sith powers that no one of the siths of the bane era can do, and bane was the stronger sith in his time, so if you read that you understand that revan was a great force user, and you know that he was probably stronger that bane in this moment. And in the game, well we play as revan, but in the game he was the dark lord of the siths, he was stronger than malak, he was very smart, and kreia said that he's like rthe heart of the force so he probably had a high rate of midichlorians, and that he was a great force user. For sion, you said that you can cause him tou doubt, you said that with the info of the game, so if we seen this same moment, Sion heal his self many times, and the exile knows some thing about him, kreia probably knows that the exile can do sion doubt because he knows sion a little, if you know anithing about sion that was more dificult.




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#24 10 years ago
Seikan;4837417For Revan we knows that he was the master of Dark bane, well, an holocron of revan... and he learns to bane sith powers that no one of the siths of the bane era can do, and bane was the stronger sith in his time, so if you read that you understand that revan was a great force user, and you know that he was probably stronger that bane in this moment. And in the game, well we play as revan, but in the game he was the dark lord of the siths, he was stronger than malak, he was very smart, and kreia said that he's like rthe heart of the force so he probably had a high rate of midichlorians, and that he was a great force user. For sion, you said that you can cause him tou doubt, you said that with the info of the game, so if we seen this same moment, Sion heal his self many times, and the exile knows some thing about him, kreia probably knows that the exile can do sion doubt because he knows sion a little, if you know anithing about sion that was more dificult.

*Wall of text and bad grammer hit DO for a double critical worth damage of 99995 points.* Lol sorry I'm pulling you there.

Now on to the whole Bane thing. Bane already had a master, Revan's holocron affirmed his own personal thoughts that the current Sith were weakening the Dark Side. Bane discovered the other force powers through the holocron, that doesn't mean that Revan knows them. I never stated, ever that Revan was a weak force user, however, he still dims in comparision to others in the Prequel triliogy.

Allow me to say once again that GAME-MECHANICS ARE NOT, NOT CANON! You control Revan, therefore, you choose his powers and other such skills. Malak wasn't weak, he was actually pretty strong. But he was concerned about gaining more power in the dark side.

Kreia......another bad example......because her stuff is her opinion and most of it is snuffed out by G-level canon, as I've said.

Sion...can...die if you erode his will, which most Jedi can do.


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#25 10 years ago
Darth_Oblivion;4837206 -Revan: WE HAVE NO FRIKIN IDEA ABOUT HIS SKILLS! He is completely unknown, as he was controled by the player. -Nihilus: His hunger is his weakness, but true, I don't see how Obi-Wan could defeat him. -Kreia: She is powerful, but against Yoda, Mace, Obi-wan and Palpy, she would go down fairly quickly, maybe an hour if not two. -Sion: Bad example. Sion's powers are tied to his will, if you cause him to doubt everything, and erode said will, he dies.

-Revan as Oblivion just said isn't filled in. Heck even the lightsaber from he uses is guessed by the GAME movie cut scenes and by pictures of him! -Nihilus is killing himself end of -Kreia, we know bugger all...we don't even know her past properly and half of the stuff she says is opinion and not cannon. -Sion may have survived the sith wars but he isnt brilliant, hell the exile defeated him numerous times before he finally gave in.

Listen to Oblivion my friend:)Us SW geeks work as a team:lol:

Revan was smart fair enough but WTF does he have to do with Malak? I mean if Obi-Wan can face Vader(NOT ANAKIN) in his prime then he can kill Malak. Look, I'll be nice for once and not go on and be sarcastic. Have a look at wookieepedia or the Sw database or ANYTHING that shows cannon inofmration and look at Malak's and revan's...well the whole Kotor teams powers and they are VERY unfilled




Seikan

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#26 10 years ago

You tell me about wookieepedia so i doo it :p

wookieepedia:

Legacy of a Dark Lord

My time here is ended. Take what I have taught you and use it well." ―Darth Revan[src] Though he eventually rejected the mantle of Dark Lord of the Sith and returned to the light side, Revan's legacy as a powerful Sith Master would live on thousands of years after his death in a holocron that he had constructed during his reign. Hidden away on the planet Lehon, within the Temple of the Ancients, it would remain undisturbed for nearly three thousand years. Having become obsessed with the knowledge and prowess of the ancient Sith, Revan in particular, Darth Bane—recently proclaimed a Dark Lord himself—traveled to Lehon in search of power enough to topple the existing Sith regime, the Brotherhood of Darkness.[19] Once there, he discovered Revan's holocron and from it received training and instruction that, he felt, surpassed the entirety of the Korriban Academy's archives. After obtaining all the trainings from Darth Revan's holocron, Bane destroyed it as was the way of the Sith to eliminate things that were of no further use. Partially through the wisdom and Sith philosophy imparted to him by Revan, Bane would acquire the strength, power, and knowledge necessary to reshape the Sith as he saw fit, destroying the Brotherhood of Darkness and establishing the Rule of Two,[19] thus birthing a new incarnation of the Sith Order; one that would go on to topple the Galactic Republic and all but destroy the Jedi Order.[30] During the New Sith Wars, the Zelosian Sith Lord Darth Rivan would choose his name from a corrupted Sith manuscript that misidentified Revan as "Darth Rivan, the most powerful Dark Lord of the Jedi Civil War."[31]

"What can I say? I'm a talented individual." ―Revan[src] Revan had a wide variety of skills and abilities. The most prominent are listed below: Force mastery

Revan was an incredibly talented and diligent student of the Force— the most gifted of his time—and eventually, by all accounts, became a very powerful Force practitioner. As one of the few individuals in galactic history to reach the heights of Sith power and return to the Jedi, he proved himself highly skilled in the use of both the light and dark sides of the Force. Before his and Revan's final duel, Darth Malak told Revan that he was stronger in the Force than he ever was as the Dark Lord.[5] Five years later, Revan's first Jedi Master Kreia would tell the Jedi Exile that Revan was "power", that it was like staring into the heart of the Force.

As a Sith Lord, Darth Revan used a variety of Force powers. He could use the Force to create a whirlwind of Force energ that would encircle his opponent. He also used the Force to grip and choke his enemies, and was proficient in the use of Force lightning, and was able to use the dark side of the Force to tap into his innermost fears, pain and hate, and convert them into intense anger, channeling it to increase his speed, strength, and ferocity. Revan also used powers that were able to afflict his opponents, and was capable of using the Mind trick.[2] He also used the Jedi healing tehcnique.[9]

Duelist "You, Revan, are the single greatest warrior of this age, and any battle we fight will bring me honor." ―Canderous Ordo[src] Aside from his mastery of both sides of the Force, Revan was also a highly skilled warrior. He defeated a number of high profile and accomplished fighters during the Mandalorian Wars and the subsequent Jedi Civil War. Some of the greatest warriors of Revan's time were no match for him, including the former Echani general and senator Yusanis, Mandalore the Ultimate, and Darth Malak, who was counted among the skilled swordsmen of the era.[5] When Bastila Shan and three other Jedi attempted to capture Darth Revan aboard his flagship, he performed a Form VII ready stance, making him a possible Juyo practitioner.[5] While he was stuck on Taris, he participated in the dueling ring to earn some credits. Under the alias of "The Mysterious Stranger", Revan defeated the top five duelists, Deadeye Duncan, Gerlon Two-Fingers, Marl, Ice, and Twitch, to become the champion. His dueling sparked the interest of the former Mandalorian Bendak Starkiller, who only fought in death matches, but it is unknown if these two met in the ring. Perhaps one of Revan's more impressive feats was his single-handed slaying of a pair of terentatek in the depths of the ancient Sith Lord Naga Sadow's tomb on Korriban.[5

and sorry for my bad grammar, I'm not anglophone, I'm here because I love your mods *o* and I'm a newbie SW geek xD i was already a fan but not a geek °° But I will make efforts with the grammar corrector etc ^^ I think that i'm not as bad that you said if you considerate that i have 8/20 in English at school xD




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#27 10 years ago
Granyaski;4837446-Revan as Oblivion just said isn't filled in. Heck even the lightsaber from he uses is guessed by the GAME movie cut scenes and by pictures of him! -Nihilus is killing himself end of -Kreia, we know bugger all...we don't even know her past properly and half of the stuff she says is opinion and not cannon. -Sion may have survived the sith wars but he isnt brilliant, hell the exile defeated him numerous times before he finally gave in.

-Revan we don't really know about. Only thing we know is that he was a Sith, knew Force Choke, Rage, and the Juyo form. -Nihilus has basically killed himself long ago -Kreia's like a weaker Palpatine -Make fun of Sion and he becomes tissue paper.

That said, Obi-wan owns them Sith. Revan is questionable though. Methinks that in the next installment with Revan in it will have him be a Gray Jedi, but insane. That's how most heroes die in certain MMO stories.




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#28 10 years ago

Seikan;4837565You tell me about wookieepedia so i doo it :p

wookieepedia:

Legacy of a Dark Lord

My time here is ended. Take what I have taught you and use it well." ―Darth Revan[src] Though he eventually rejected the mantle of Dark Lord of the Sith and returned to the light side, Revan's legacy as a powerful Sith Master would live on thousands of years after his death in a holocron that he had constructed during his reign. Hidden away on the planet Lehon, within the Temple of the Ancients, it would remain undisturbed for nearly three thousand years. Having become obsessed with the knowledge and prowess of the ancient Sith, Revan in particular, Darth Bane—recently proclaimed a Dark Lord himself—traveled to Lehon in search of power enough to topple the existing Sith regime, the Brotherhood of Darkness.[19] Once there, he discovered Revan's holocron and from it received training and instruction that, he felt, surpassed the entirety of the Korriban Academy's archives. After obtaining all the trainings from Darth Revan's holocron, Bane destroyed it as was the way of the Sith to eliminate things that were of no further use. Partially through the wisdom and Sith philosophy imparted to him by Revan, Bane would acquire the strength, power, and knowledge necessary to reshape the Sith as he saw fit, destroying the Brotherhood of Darkness and establishing the Rule of Two,[19] thus birthing a new incarnation of the Sith Order; one that would go on to topple the Galactic Republic and all but destroy the Jedi Order.[30] During the New Sith Wars, the Zelosian Sith Lord Darth Rivan would choose his name from a corrupted Sith manuscript that misidentified Revan as "Darth Rivan, the most powerful Dark Lord of the Jedi Civil War."[31]

"What can I say? I'm a talented individual." ―Revan[src] Revan had a wide variety of skills and abilities. The most prominent are listed below: Force mastery

Revan was an incredibly talented and diligent student of the Force— the most gifted of his time—and eventually, by all accounts, became a very powerful Force practitioner. As one of the few individuals in galactic history to reach the heights of Sith power and return to the Jedi, he proved himself highly skilled in the use of both the light and dark sides of the Force. Before his and Revan's final duel, Darth Malak told Revan that he was stronger in the Force than he ever was as the Dark Lord.[5] Five years later, Revan's first Jedi Master Kreia would tell the Jedi Exile that Revan was "power", that it was like staring into the heart of the Force.

As a Sith Lord, Darth Revan used a variety of Force powers. He could use the Force to create a whirlwind of Force energ that would encircle his opponent. He also used the Force to grip and choke his enemies, and was proficient in the use of Force lightning, and was able to use the dark side of the Force to tap into his innermost fears, pain and hate, and convert them into intense anger, channeling it to increase his speed, strength, and ferocity. Revan also used powers that were able to afflict his opponents, and was capable of using the Mind trick.[2] He also used the Jedi healing tehcnique.[9]

Duelist "You, Revan, are the single greatest warrior of this age, and any battle we fight will bring me honor." ―Canderous Ordo[src] Aside from his mastery of both sides of the Force, Revan was also a highly skilled warrior. He defeated a number of high profile and accomplished fighters during the Mandalorian Wars and the subsequent Jedi Civil War. Some of the greatest warriors of Revan's time were no match for him, including the former Echani general and senator Yusanis, Mandalore the Ultimate, and Darth Malak, who was counted among the skilled swordsmen of the era.[5] When Bastila Shan and three other Jedi attempted to capture Darth Revan aboard his flagship, he performed a Form VII ready stance, making him a possible Juyo practitioner.[5] While he was stuck on Taris, he participated in the dueling ring to earn some credits. Under the alias of "The Mysterious Stranger", Revan defeated the top five duelists, Deadeye Duncan, Gerlon Two-Fingers, Marl, Ice, and Twitch, to become the champion. His dueling sparked the interest of the former Mandalorian Bendak Starkiller, who only fought in death matches, but it is unknown if these two met in the ring. Perhaps one of Revan's more impressive feats was his single-handed slaying of a pair of terentatek in the depths of the ancient Sith Lord Naga Sadow's tomb on Korriban.[5

and sorry for my bad grammar, I'm not anglophone, I'm here because I love your mods *o* and I'm a newbie SW geek xD i was already a fan but not a geek °° But I will make efforts with the grammar corrector etc ^^ I think that i'm not as bad that you said if you considerate that i have 8/20 in English at school xD

Ah! Wookiepedia!

Anyways, well that brings up a good answer.......Wookie can be edited by the Fanboys and girls......so you kinda have to sort out the truth from opinions....


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#29 10 years ago

the citations are truth! xD

"What can I say? I'm a talented individual." "Revan was power. It was like staring into the heart of the Force." "You, Revan, are the single greatest warrior of this age, and any battle we fight will bring me honor."

and who can refuse that that's true: Aside from his mastery of both sides of the Force, Revan was also a highly skilled warrior. He defeated a number of high profile and accomplished fighters during the Mandalorian Wars and the subsequent Jedi Civil War. Some of the greatest warriors of Revan's time were no match for him, including the former Echani general and senator Yusanis, Mandalore the Ultimate, and Darth Malak, who was counted among the skilled swordsmen of the era.

and wookie can be edited, yes but some of the content was true.

and i put some information of an official fresh site:

Dark Revan was one of the porwerfuls Sith lords, so much that some adepts seen on revan the Sith'ari,the perfect sith bla bla bla...

and i'm tired so I stop here ^^' Good.. evening(?)




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#30 10 years ago

hmm.. i thought this was Obi-Wan vs. Malak... where the heck did Revan come in!?!?!? im really starting to see why people get annoyed by Revanites... mention anything remotely near revan and it turns into an all-out battle to prove revan is the greatest ever... sure revan is cool but he is not the greatest... (except in mask style which is awesome):kiwi: hehe... kiwi...:naughty: