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Jedijax

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#41 12 years ago

And we have already stated at least the Exile's power was evident before the final battle of Malachor V. Of course Nihilus' power is more developed than that of the Exile, just as her own power is more developed than what she showed while studying at the academy, but according to Kreia and the Jedi Masters, it is just a matter of developing an already present potential. The wound upon the Force was not the cause of the Exile's (arguably) unique nature as a Force-user; on the contrary, it saw the blocking of such condition, along with any other Force-related manifestation.




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#42 12 years ago

Revan was power and strength. There is a reason why Revan led the Republic to victory instead of the Exile.




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#43 12 years ago

I want to see demonstrations of Revans and the Exile's power from other sources. Although he did knpw many darkside techniques of incredible power and created the basis for the rule of two.




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#44 12 years ago

Revan was knowledge; the Exile was raw power. Revan used his knowledge of Force wounds to convert thousands of Jedi and Republic soldiers to his cause at Malachor V. Of course, he was arrogant to believe he wouldn't fall to the dark side in the process, just like Kreia. The Exile, on the other hand, had a unique ability to leech off the Force potential of others. Her abilitiy to manipulate did not come from her knowledge of the Force, but her inherant ability to form Force bonds, a power that cannot be learned. They are both equally strong. They both are master manipulators. But their strengths come from different sources, as do their weaknesses.




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#45 12 years ago
JCarter426;4089034 The Exile, on the other hand, had a unique ability to leech off the Force potential of others. Her abilitiy to manipulate did not come from her knowledge of the Force, but her inherant ability to form Force bonds, a power that cannot be learned.

Correct. The Exile formed bonds subconsciously to an incredible degree. This however is not very spectacular as a force bond seems to merely be a deep connection through the force to another force sensitive and as such could be forced unto another.

This is however my opinion based on what facts I could gleam from the games.




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#46 12 years ago
Narcoleptic_Ninja;4090878This however is not very spectacular as a force bond seems to merely be a deep connection through the force to another force sensitive and as such could be forced unto another. .

That's what the Jedi thought--at least that's what they thought before the Exile. Recall the hologram of the conversation between Vrook and Vandar (or watch it here: YouTube - Hologram Recording on Dantooine). The Exile, even before Malachor, formed Force bonds with everyone she met. Vrook was afraid of what would happen if someone with the Exile's ability abused this gift, used it to force others to do their bidding. This is what the DS story of KOTOR is about; the Exile falls to the dark side, and in the process turns all of her party members into mindless slaves who fight each other for the Exile's affection. This is especially evident by cut content (DS Atton torturing Disciple, DS Handmaiden attacking Visas).




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#47 12 years ago

Kreia implies Revan did force bonding deliberately. Sadly though I have no concrete facts to back this up.

"Ah, but to make officers turn on their own people, to bomb innocent worlds to make pacts… strong influence, indeed." ―Kreia




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#48 12 years ago

Hey again, J Carter!! Seems your theory on Nihilus being a dark manifestation of the Exile may have been right after all!! I've been digging up a bit since you mentioned it, and found a statement from Chris Avellone, from a well known interview mad by none other than Emperor Devon!! "He was created when Malachor V was torn apart, and he was intended as the Exile’s other half, one that took a more self-destructive path rather than denying the Force during that battle that ended the Mandalorian Wars." Guess this goes well with your suggestion, and it definitely suits my own deductions!! Too bad it is not recognized as canon... guess there are still some dark characters out there trying to turn good old Zayne Carrick into the Lord of Hunger!! =p Oh, and as for Revan showing great influence, I used to think the same in KOTOR, but in TSL, the dialog to which the contributor refers, is meant to be a rethorical one, expecting the Exile to analyse the facts, not presenting them actually. Kreia claerly states later that Revan was able to convert so many because of his knowledge of Force-nexus, particularly places where the Dark Side was strong, such as Malachor or Korriban. Once again, it is because of knowledge, not power per se. Although, if one is to think knowledge IS power... regardless, it is not a matter of "Force-potential."




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#49 12 years ago

Yup, that's where I got the idea in the first place. :D See how much information about the game that was left out of the game? So sad...it had so much potential... Oh, another thing: DS Exile drains the life energy out of the three masters after slaying them. Just a thought... As for Revan, his influence was attained through skill and knowledge. He was very charismatic, a natural politician. He was able to double-talk people into joining his cause. And to repeat what Jax said, Revan used his knowledge of Force wounds to manipulate and corrupt people, like he did at Malachor. Revan himself, however, did not have the ability to form Force bonds. I'm replaying K2 now, by the way.




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#50 12 years ago

Side Note:I don't like the heads in K2 On Topic:But is it true that Revan had a Force Bond with Bastila??Exile and Revan both didnt know how force bonds were forced upon them but It was because as Kreia said they are leaders