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Darth Dracon

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#121 11 years ago

Go for Papa Palpatine!




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#122 11 years ago
Darth Dracon;4956526Go for Papa Palpatine!

Whoa, whoa! what do you mean they BLEW UP the Death Star!? F*#$! Well who are THEY?! What the hell is an "Aluminum Falcon?" Wait a minute? You're telling me you've been flying around for two weeks just trying to get a signal?! God you must smell like leather wrapped in burnt bacon! Oh, oh I'm sorry, I just thought the dark lord of the sith could protect a thermal exaust port only two meters wide! that thing wasn't even fully paid off yet!




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#123 11 years ago
The Sith Lord Revan;4931915REPLY---->my :rofl:i can kill palpatine too with star destroyer.....its pretty easy.i kill him in battlefront 2 with my rebel smuggler

It doesn't matter if palpatine was the most powerful or not (i know the sith only care for power but still. I hold a good belief that the very ancient sith..the creators of the true sith knowledge like sith alchemy and such were much more powerful than Palpatine) What makes him the greatest sith lord was because of what he done. He fooled the ENTIRE jedi order as well as the ENTIRE senate. Easily. THAT is why he is the greatest sith lord because everything went to plan.

(though imo i don't think he would be able to pull it off in the old republic days...idk with the sith being at large and such the jedi would be more wary to politics and such..I think they would see right through him imo)




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#124 11 years ago
Codyy;4959751(i know the sith only care for power but still. I hold a good belief that the very ancient sith..the creators of the true sith knowledge like sith alchemy and such were much more powerful than Palpatine)

Two points to make.

1: The power the Sith crave, is not just Force based. It's power in general as well.

Number 1 isn't directed at you specificly, but at all who confuse strength in the Force and Force knowledge, with the more general description of power i.e. ruling an empire. As I said, the Sith desire both above all else. 2: Sidious was the only one to find, and possess Naga Sadow's lost holocron. He had much knowledge of the Ancient Sith, and much of their knowledge too.




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#125 11 years ago

Palpatine was the best sith lord OF HIS TIME. vader in his suit couldnt challenge him but pre-suit could so if obi-wan had not done that vader would have been MUCH more powerful, enough to challenge his master. but the ONLY WAY malak could have killed his master in FULL BODY was unexpectedly shooting him instead of actually challenging him Face To Face




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#126 11 years ago
JeDiSpaRtaN300;4963362Palpatine was the best sith lord OF HIS TIME. vader in his suit couldnt challenge him but pre-suit could so if obi-wan had not done that vader would have been MUCH more powerful, enough to challenge his master. but the ONLY WAY malak could have killed his master in FULL BODY was unexpectedly shooting him instead of actually challenging him Face To Face

Malak? I thought this was on vader:lol:

Well Vader did lose alot of force potential with the loss of a couple of limbs(LOL) but still he may not have been able to challenge Sidious, he was named by G-level canon as the most powerful sith master and unfortunately what Lucas says goes...... oh the blaster bit....pretty much how Han killed Sidious' last clone body:p




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#127 11 years ago

Granyaski;4969136Malak? I thought this was on vader:lol:

Well Vader did lose alot of force potential with the loss of a couple of limbs(LOL) but still he may not have been able to challenge Sidious, he was named by G-level canon as the most powerful sith master and unfortunately what Lucas says goes...... oh the blaster bit....pretty much how Han killed Sidious' last clone body:p

That is G-canon. We are talking about C-Canon here. G-canon is George saying that there is nothing after his movies or before. He says that for G-Canon wise. ALL of the cartoons,books and video games are non canon to his G-canon. So you CAN'T use that here because then you are in belief that Malak is non canon. Which is fine. But we are using C-canon (i guess) which includes video games and books and such. Where Vader is not the most powerful sith master. Also even George Lucas said that if Anakin was never turned into mostly machine then he would have the power to over throw Palpatine long before episode 4.




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#128 11 years ago

G-Canon is the movies, radioplays, and unfortunately the Star Wars Holiday special. Basicly, any works that have been done by Lucas himself. G-Canon does not mean, in the slightest, that the EU doesn't exist.

The levels of canon are only a system by which other SW works are listed in relation to the movies, and then in relation of canon to each other, and so that they do not contradict the movies. Anything that contradicts is either re-written before publishing, or retconned afterward.

For example, the entire creation of the Ruusan Reformation was because of the Prequel Trilogy. Until then, all EU had been based around what Lucas had done with the Original Trilogy, including what had already been created concerning the pre-GCW times (all with Lucas' own blessing too). The moment Palpatine said; "I will not let this Republic that has stood for a thousand years...", the entire timeline of the EU was suddenly thrown out of whack. So, the Ruusan Reformation was made to explain the difference.

G-Canon cannot be changed by the EU, but the EU must change along with G-Cannon.

Lucas' opinion that there is nothing after his movies, does not include anything before, or during, and has no effect on the canon system used by The Holocron. Proof of which, is his own use of EU characters such as Quinlan Vos and Aayla Secura. They were then elevated to G-Canon, as well as being characters of the EU.

Even in the EU, no EU character can defeat any character created by Lucas. The only times that can happen is when he himself allows it. The best example, is Chewbacca's death. Galen Marek defeating Vader is G-Canon, because Lucas oversaw the story and production of TFU. It had his personal blessing. The extremes by which the Force is used in TFU, is the entire reason Lucas said "Go make that game".

All in all, the entirety of SW and every level of canon boils down to Lucas saying either yes or no to something.




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#129 11 years ago

Fyurii;4970288G-Canon is the movies, radioplays, and unfortunately the Star Wars Holiday special. Basicly, any works that have been done by Lucas himself. G-Canon does not mean, in the slightest, that the EU doesn't exist.

The levels of canon are only a system by which other SW works are listed in relation to the movies, and then in relation of canon to each other, and so that they do not contradict the movies. Anything that contradicts is either re-written before publishing, or retconned afterward.

For example, the entire creation of the Ruusan Reformation was because of the Prequel Trilogy. Until then, all EU had been based around what Lucas had done with the Original Trilogy, including what had already been created concerning the pre-GCW times (all with Lucas' own blessing too). The moment Palpatine said; "I will not let this Republic that has stood for a thousand years...", the entire timeline of the EU was suddenly thrown out of whack. So, the Ruusan Reformation was made to explain the difference.

G-Canon cannot be changed by the EU, but the EU must change along with G-Cannon.

Lucas' opinion that there is nothing after his movies, does not include anything before, or during, and has no effect on the canon system used by The Holocron. Proof of which, is his own use of EU characters such as Quinlan Vos and Aayla Secura. They were then elevated to G-Canon, as well as being characters of the EU.

Even in the EU, no EU character can defeat any character created by Lucas. The only times that can happen is when he himself allows it. The best example, is Chewbacca's death. Galen Marek defeating Vader is G-Canon, because Lucas oversaw the story and production of TFU. It had his personal blessing. The extremes by which the Force is used in TFU, is the entire reason Lucas said "Go make that game".

All in all, the entirety of SW and every level of canon boils down to Lucas saying either yes or no to something.

So the novels of the movies would be canon too right? George also worked with the authors of the books and helped them make it and he verified them. But not all of what is said and done in the novels is canon. What i mean is that the parts of the movies that were in the novels that were edited a bit are non canon while the movies are canon. BUT the parts in the trilogy novels (episode 1-6) that weren't in the movies are canon? (hard to explain..)

I mean in the novels Yoda said Padme was strong in the force. But he didn't say that in the movies. BUT it is still canon because he didn't say it in any conversations that were in the movie. It was in a different one that was not shown in the movies. So it as like a add on ..so to speak.

While the fight with the jedi masters vs Palpatine. When Anakin went into Palpatines room he saw the head of kit fisto on palpatines table. BUT in the movie he wasn't even decapitated. So it goes against what was done in the movie therefore it is non canon and kit fisto's head is not on the table. You get what i am saying? (told you it was hard to explain)




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#130 11 years ago
Codyy;4970974So the novels of the movies would be canon too right? George also worked with the authors of the books and helped them make it and he verified them.

Only so far as they don't contradict the films. Lucas didn't work with those authors directly. They got story outlines and scripts over the course of filming, but not always what the finished product was.

But not all of what is said and done in the novels is canon. What i mean is that the parts of the movies that were in the novels that were edited a bit are non canon while the movies are canon. BUT the parts in the trilogy novels (episode 1-6) that weren't in the movies are canon? (hard to explain..)

So, as I said before, anything that contradicts the movies isn't canon. The novels for each film are only canon, in so far as where they are the same as the films. Where there's differences, the differences become a lower level of canon.

I mean in the novels Yoda said Padme was strong in the force. But he didn't say that in the movies. BUT it is still canon because he didn't say it in any conversations that were in the movie.

For something like that, unless it's said in the movies, it's not canon. The only time that could come close would be when she's pregnant with Luke & Leia, and even then it would be their strength in the Force and not hers.

It was in a different one that was not shown in the movies. So it as like a add on ..so to speak.

Not at all.

While the fight with the jedi masters vs Palpatine. When Anakin went into Palpatines room he saw the head of kit fisto on palpatines table. BUT in the movie he wasn't even decapitated.

That's possibly the most petty point I've seen used yet. 1: The film still had to get as low a rating as possible, and one more decapitation might have wound up pushing it closer to a higher rating. As it was, Anakin's immolation was enough to bump it to a higher rating than the previous films.

So it goes against what was done in the movie therefore it is non canon and kit fisto's head is not on the table. You get what i am saying? (told you it was hard to explain)

It's not hard to explain. Just remember, if it contradicts the films, it's not canon. The result of which is either going to be a retcon, or the event never happened.