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#131 9 years ago

I have heard a ton of talk about how Palpatine is a "Perfect manipulator" and controlled a ton of people, etc. However the only person he turned was Anakin, and dooku. Anakin was a troubled young kid, who eventually turned against his master-Dooku was either fooled, or perhaps he thought to betray the sith in the end *Ive heard both.* The galactic senate could have been raw application of force power, which, frankly, any powerful sith could have done.

However Revan, if HK-47 is to believed in slightly cut dialog, was a freaking insane manipulator. One interpretation of a deleted dialog tree was that Revan considered the entire war, mandalorian, civil, all of it, a conversion tool against the jedi order. The entire war existed the create a situation where any Jedi fighting in it would either side with Revan, or be so damaged*as were Nilhus and the Exile* that they would no longer be Jedi.

Even more sinister is that, according to some persons interpretation of a latter area of the dialog *I cannot remember where, it was some walk through that covered the deleted content to a degree* Revan sent the Exile back to the council to corrupt and make them doubt. In at least one situation it worked, that of Atris, who eventually went completely crackers.

Now, Im not telling you that A. you have to interprit this as I did, or that B. this is canon *it was deleted XD* however if it is to be believed then Revan manipulated and corrupted the entire-jedi-order. Sidious? Two members. Eventually was betrayed and killed. **Revan was betrayed, but survived, on another note. And dont tell me the extended universe has clones of sidious, Rediculious is Rediculious, and on the same note the unstoppable force storms are as well. Sides, Revan has said ability as well, or at least a watered down and less-insane version**

In my mind Revans ability with manipulation>Sidious. Sidious had to kill people-Revan used the war as a distraction of its own.

In addition Revan could have been Revan without the force. Palpy would have been some half dead old man, with delusions of grandur and power.




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#132 9 years ago
Revan-the-manipulator;4973425In addition Revan could have been Revan without the force.

That's one of the stupidest things I've heard yet. I'm sorry, but it is.

Without the Force, he wouldn't have been Revan. He'd be the Exile at the very beginning of TSL, but never getting to use the Force. In other words, easy pickings for even the swoop gangs of Taris.




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Fyurii;4973452That's one of the stupidest things I've heard yet. I'm sorry, but it is.

Without the Force, he wouldn't have been Revan. He'd be the Exile at the very beginning of TSL, but never getting to use the Force. In other words, easy pickings for even the swoop gangs of Taris.

he means that revan could of done all the stuff he did during the mandalorian wars and such without the force. Just with manipulations and strategies for one.

for 2 are you for real? So he HAS to be force sensitive in order to be good at fighting? That is a load of bull. Look at Dash Rendar or Han solo and many others that did very well in combat and led many victories in battle without the force.

Now you will probably give me some bull about how it was all about the jedi's combat that helped out the republic. But as EVERYONE on both the mandalorians and republic said it was mostly thanks to revan and his strategies in combat.




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#134 9 years ago
Codyy;4973610he means that revan could of done all the stuff he did during the mandalorian wars and such without the force. Just with manipulations and strategies for one.

No, he couldn't. To think otherwise is either stupid, or absolute fanboy-ism.

for 2 are you for real? So he HAS to be force sensitive in order to be good at fighting? That is a load of bull. Look at Dash Rendar or Han solo and many others that did very well in combat and led many victories in battle without the force.

Jedi need the Force to use a Lightsaber. Otherwise they're going to cut themselves into pieces.

Now you will probably give me some bull about how it was all about the jedi's combat that helped out the republic. But as EVERYONE on both the mandalorians and republic said it was mostly thanks to revan and his strategies in combat.

Some "bull"? Well, since you want me to post so much just to prove you right about my posting something, I'll oblige you on that part at least...

Dash Rendar and Han Solo didn't need the Force, because they had learnt to fight without ever having used it! Their fighting ability was geared around not having a sufficiently high Force sensitivity, and had to use their wits, cunning and guile. Things they had learnt to do over their years, without the Force.

Luke couldn't have destroyed the first Death Star without the Force, despite the fact he was the best pilot the Rebels had at the Battle of Yavin.

Revan like 99% of all other Jedi, had been trained to use the Force, to live with the Force, to rely on the Force. Without it he was just a normal man who had next to no combat ability. That's not bull, it's a fact.

He'd be outclassed, and outfought by a young and inexperienced Mandalorian warrior.

Without the Force, he wouldn't have accomplished even a quarter of the things he did.

His strategies during the Mandalorian Wars developed more as he took part, and were by a large part, thanks to his connection with the Force. Without it he wouldn't have been a Jedi, so he wouldn't have been in a position to lead, which means he wouldn't have been able to employ whatever strategic ability he had, since he wouldn't have been in the position to lead.

Everyone who followed him to war, everyone, followed him first and foremost because he was a Jedi. Without the Force, he wasn't a Jedi. Just some guy.