but how would you "hone your defensive abilities"? Only way I'd see someone be able to do that is if they had paintballs continually shot at them, or to be punched continually...Ad by the way, I meant no disrespect by my skepticism, I was unsure as to whether or not you had really served in the Military. As it turns out, you have, and I respect you for serving your country.
No one said he served in the military, he just says he's worn heavy batlle armor.
I have served in the British Army. Unfortunately the lower portion of my left leg was crushed in a training accident. So that ended my "glorious" career in the military :(
After recovery (and lots of surgery) I took up various martial arts. They each have "body armour" that can be worn i.e. Kendo.
By honing your defensive abilities, you greatly reduce the chance of your opponent managing to hit you in CQC.
Ultimately, Jedi/Sith don't need armour for ranged combat either - Lightsabers + the Force = most opponents faced get owned.
An when fired at from both sides? Your screwed. Training, eh? Lemme see, that means you have no experience in actual combat. Which puts me ahead of you. I do also take many forms of Martial Arts, and have ranked high in most, and I much prefer using sparing armor and training gear than nothing. I fight a lot. Trust me, wearing a bullet-proof vest is a lot safer than not. I'd rather have that then rely on my speed.
Puck UdrocAn when fired at from both sides? Your screwed. Training, eh? Lemme see, that means you have no experience in actual combat. Which puts me ahead of you. I do also take many forms of Martial Arts, and have ranked high in most, and I much prefer using sparing armor and training gear than nothing. I fight a lot. Trust me, wearing a bullet-proof vest is a lot safer than not. I'd rather have that then rely on my speed.
Do you seriously believe I saw no combat? And soldiers still receive training after becoming full serving members of the military. They also aid in the training of recruits. Wargames, training exercises, Spec Ops hopefuls, and many more.
The highlighted statement further shows our own personal stances to armour.
5.56mm NATO FMJ round goes through most levels of body armour, so does 7.62mm NATO FMJ rounds - both are the most common type of bullet found in use on a battlefield.
(FMJ is Full Metal Jacket)
So called "bullet proof" vests are designed to counteract small arms fire, not an Assault rifle/Sniper rifle/Light Machine gun/Heavy Machine gun, and various types of shotgun ammunition.
What say we get back on topic now? Or do you wish to continue like a tantrum throwing pair of children?
I don't, but no doubt you do, since you have already demonstrated your lack of maturity before.
Report me if you want, but both of us have been warned already by a Moderator, and requested by Inner Demon to chill things down.
I have already demonstrated my sincerity and maturity in another thread, and again, I am attempting to do so again.
So, again, shall we let this get back on topic so others can contribute to the thread, or do you want to have to share the responsibility of this thread getting locked because of us?
Well, since I don't really give a hott if this is locked.... Not only have I ben through training, but my best friends have all been to Iraq in back. Considering half of them say their gear is second skin, I would say they like it, especially since one of them was whot in the back and killed, while not wearing armor or any gear.
You know, I hate to close this thread, as after reading the majority of it, both of you seem intent on making the other person lean towards your own way of thinking; It would be better to just agree to disagree, and understand that each of you have your own opinions, to which you each think is the best. For instance:
An when fired at from both sides? Your screwed.
Technically, IMHO, this is correct, as you can't see in front, and behind at the same time, however, this has been demonstrated that it can be done, countless times. (mind you, I'm basing this on the movies, which to me, should be near canon, and not the game(s) that were spawned from them) ...Your opinion may differ, and that's fine, because I can picture how this statement can be true.
Same with body armor...it's use would have to be (given the option to use it or not) personal preference...
* Without it, you have full range of movement, you can put more force into your attack, you're quicker to defend/counter, you'll last a little longer in a fight.
* With it, you have that little extra body weight which would come in handy with momentum, you can take more hits without the damage, you can allow more hits in and concentrate on your own attacks This was an interesting thread...
Well, since I don't really give a hott if this is locked....
Please don't start an 'Armor part 2' thread. If the moderators for this forum wish to reopen this thread, thats up to them.
Thread wise - Now now, children. This is a good debate here. A Debate is a debate and if you need to resort to insulting the person on the other end of the debate, then you alone will be removed from it. No need to close an entire thread, which imo has a good thing going on. So if you're done and cannot reply here and be civilized, then remove yourself from this thread, or I'll do it for you. This is also about Star Wars, not real life, etc.
Ok, first let me point out the obvious. Jedi/Sith do not wear heavy armor. I've watched all of the movies and played most of the games. Other than some kind of suit (like Vader has), I've never seen a Jedi or Sith wear anything but robes. It seems to be the official Jedi/Sith atire. The Jedi/Sith deal with the force and use light saber for their weapons. No armor is really needed. However that doesn't mean it isn't possible. Look at Vader's outfit. Thats mostly steel and metal, so that would count as heavy armor. He seems to have no issues using the force and also being able to handle himself with a saber. Does it make him more powerful? Perhaps. But perhaps not. He was pretty powerful without it.
Lets look at Jango and Bobo Fett. They both wear heavy armor and they still jump around and fly around and kick major ass. And they're nor Jedi or Sith. So imagine if a Jedi or Sith used the Mandilorian armor? Double the defense? Perhaps, but then again perhaps not. I don't think the Mandalorian armor can defend against a Light Saber. I'm pretty though that the Jedi/Sith use the force for most of their offensive and defense power anyway. So have a naked Luke vs Vader (armor and all) and the outcome would be the same imo.
Knight of MarsBeater of Ass
3rd June 2006
Have a great point there, Giz. If, as seen in Episode One, a lightsaber can penetrate blast doors, I have no doubt any armor, even Mandalorian, can withstand such an assault from this weapon. In regards to blaster fire, and other projectiles, armor would certainly help out. Again, with Gizmo's post, Force restrictions should not apply. Perhaps there can be a factor in the next game to where the character has to attain a certain Force level to not incur any such restrictions. This could be classified as learning to channel the Force, even with cumbersome distractions like an armored suit.
Can't a Jedi use Force Sheild or whatever, which will protect them from most attacks? If thats the case, then who needs armor...A Jedi already has a great substitute for it, they just need to hone it.