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karkinelite

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#1 12 years ago

ok i have a few question about the heresy as you can see from the name of the thread anyways let me get started. 1)how did the traitor chaos make new armour or add on to there old armour to look more chaos 2)why did the emperor want to kill the traitor chapter that at first tryed to help him. 3)this one has probley been answered some were and i should no but i dont why did horus become enough angery to betray the emperor 4)how did he convince all the other chapter to join chaos with him 5)are there and space marines that were part of the traitor chapter but didnt go traitor so they joined other chapters or were did all the space marines from that traitor chapter go to chaos 6)what made the chapter who were loyal to the emperor go to chaos like the emperors cildren they stayed with the emperor but finnaly went traitor 7)are there any chaos lords who are still a regular chaos marine human not a deamon prince 8)did chaos try to get any loyal chapter to join chaos like examples the ultramarines and the imperial fist somthing like that or did he just try to get chapter that he new well and thought he could convince them 9)what was the imperial guard at the time did they do anything dureing this or were they not even formed 10) last why this kinda goes with number 1 how and why did they re paint there armour. well thanks i no i should no most of those but i dont so plz tell me what you no thanks.




The Body Popper

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1) A lot of their armor was warped by and mutated by chaos. But legions like the world eaters repainted theirs to match their gods colors. 2) im not quite sure what your second question is. But I think your talking about the thousand sons. And the emperor betrayed them because they were delving in the ways of chaos to try and warn him of the impending heresy. But he then dispatched the space wolves to eradicate them. 3) horus realized that the emperor was betraying them all. Making the space marine’s fight, then claming the victories as his own. Not to mention that he realized that the emperor was a faciest tub of lard 4) he convinced some of the others to join him simply because the emperor had already betrayed them. For example, the Night lords. The emperor used them as shock troops, sending them into the most violent hardest fights ever. Then he dishonored konrad kurz in front of all the other primarchs, and treated him like used jet trash. 5) yes. And Im not sure what happened to them, but maxamillianweiseman said they formed the grey knights. And ill take his word for it. 6) I wont answer number five because its almost exactly the same as four. 7) and yah, there are still chaos lords that aren’t demon princes. Ill assume that your talking about the primarchs of the chaos legions, and I don’t know if there are any human primarchs. But abaddon the despoiler is still human, typhus, that guy in the thousand suns name that I cant spell, luscious the eternal. 8) I don’t know if any of the other legions tried to convince any of the chapters. But the ruinous powers have corrupted some of the other legions such as the astral claws. And there are renegade marines from different chapters that dwell within the eye. 9) There were many traitor guard. Many, many, traitor guard. 10) Some of them repainted to match their god’s colors. But the sons of Horus changed their name and armor color in mourning for the loss of Horus. If im wrong about any of this, let me know.




karkinelite

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#3 12 years ago

o thanks for that if anyone has anything to add plz do but let me get this start some of the space marines from traitor chapters who didnt turn became the grey knights so all the grey knights are sm's from traitor chapters that didnt go traitor




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#4 12 years ago

2) when the thousand sons tryd to warn the emp or it was Magnus really he used sorcery to send the warning the emp had told my spacifically not to use it and compleatly ignored it's contence and sent the SW to prospreo. 5? the GK are a 2nd founding chapter useing the emps geneseed.




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#5 12 years ago
Sekmet2) when the thousand sons tryd to warn the emp or it was Magnus really he used sorcery to send the warning the emp had told my spacifically not to use it and compleatly ignored it's contence and sent the SW to prospreo. 5? the GK are a 2nd founding chapter useing the emps geneseed.

2)The spell disrupted the first implement of the Astronomican and left the Emperor weakened. He was mad at Magnus and subsequantly ignored his plees for warning...




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#6 12 years ago

5) the last few loyalist survibors were slain due to the corruptible geneseed




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#7 12 years ago
GoogleMoogleMaximus5) the last few loyalist survibors were slain due to the corruptible geneseed

So you were told...




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#8 12 years ago
karkinelite2)why did the emperor want to kill the traitor chapter that at first tryed to help him.[/quote] Magnus was already warned by the Emp not to dabble in magiks. When Magnus tried to warn the Emp he he disrupted the psyhcic sheild surronding his throne room allowing daemons to assult the palace. (Kudos: Carnivore & Sekmet) This got the Emp a bit miffed and he set the Space Wolves to bring Magnus to Terra to give him a spanking. Magnus had also tried to warn Horus that he was in danger as Erebus of the Word Bearers was attempting to sway him to chaos. Which we know happened. Horus, now in line with choas, informed Leman that Magnus had contacted him using the Magiks again and to eliminate him as he and his legion were tainted by chaos. It was the acts of Horus and the Space Wolves that drove the Thousand Sons and Magnus to turn to Chaos and embrace Tzeentch.
karkinelite3)this one has probley been answered some were and i should no but i dont why did horus become enough angery to betray the emperor.[/quote] He felt that the Emp had betrayed him, that he had claimed all the glory in his name when Horus had been doing all the hard work. When the Emp withdrew to Terra to begin his important studies on psykers Horus felt abandoned. Chaos also convinced him that he could lead the Imperium into the new age and that the Emp was not fit to do this, only seeking domination of the galaxy.
karkinelite4)how did he convince all the other chapter to join chaos with him [/quote] Thousand Sons = explained in answer to question 2. Emperors Children = Fulgrim was close ally of Horus, seeked perfection that only Slaneesh could offer. Night Lords = Night Haunter was being disciplined on Terra for his and his legions actions i.e destroying his homeworld. Already on the Path to Chaos. Dissappeared from his chambers and joined Horus. Night Haunter was also closer to Horus as the other Primarchs thought he was weird. He kicked the Shizzer out of Rogal dorn at a banquet. Death Gaurd = Mortarion closer to Horus as with Night Haunter. Turned to Nurgle when Typhus slew the Pilots of their vessel and stranded them in the warp after nurgle released the killer plague. World Eaters = Were way to hacky slashy to be loyal for long sa was inevitable really. Word Bearers = Already followed chaos after the Emp told them off for preaching and not winning planets, chaos gods always want people to worship them. Alph Legion = Alparius good buddy of Horus, helped orchestrate the Dropsite Masascre. Was annoyed that the emp favored the Ultramarines over his boys. Iron Warriors = Always thrown into sieges as first choice and when Dorn and his Imperial fists were chosen to protect the Emps palace that was the final straw for Peturabo and he joined Horus.
karkinelite5)are there and space marines that were part of the traitor chapter but didnt go traitor so they joined other chapters or were did all the space marines from that traitor chapter go to chaos[/quote] Yes, various members of the chapters that turned traitor remained loyal mainly Deathgaurd and Emperors children. Google the flight of the eisenstein. What became of these is not yet known. They either: a) fought for other chapters until they died b) were treated as their heretical brothers c) were used as the foundations of the grey knights. But we don't know yet, wait for the next HH book and it should tell all.
karkinelite6)what made the chapter who were loyal to the emperor go to chaos like the emperors cildren they stayed with the emperor but finnaly went traitor
See 4 [quote=karkinelite]7)are there any chaos lords who are still a regular chaos marine human not a deamon prince
Yes, Chaos Lords have to perform great deeds in the name of their patrons gods to become fully fledged Daemon Princes. Example of this is Lord Percilitor of the Night Lords and the surviving traitor primarchs who have been elevated. Normal Lords still have Daemonic gifts and powers greater than that of a normal lord. [quote=karkinelite]8)did chaos try to get any loyal chapter to join chaos like examples the ultramarines and the imperial fist somthing like that or did he just try to get chapter that he new well and thought he could convince them
All were loyal to the Emp once, so in a way yeah. He didn't bother with the likes of Dark Angels, Space Wolves cos even though they might not be happy with the Emp they were still loyal. Fulgrim did try and bring Ferrus Manus and the Iron Hands (?) under Horus fold but proved Loyal to the Emp. In the Sabertooth CCG, which is debated as being proper fluff, Fulgrim kills Ferrus and hands his head to Horus as a sign as of his loyalty. [quote=karkinelite]9)what was the imperial guard at the time did they do anything dureing this or were they not even formed
Imperial guard fought on both sides as did members of the Adeptus Mechanicus. [quote=karkinelite]10) last why this kinda goes with number 1 how and why did they re paint there armour.

possibly to distance themselves from the days of their loyalty. Maybe to forget. The sons of horus were ordered to paint there armour black because Abbadon wanted to distance himself from the memory of Horus and his failure to bring the galaxy under chaos rule Wooo, I think I'm done now... thats what I think is right, please correct me or add as need be.




MaximillianWeisemann

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#9 12 years ago

That should have been posted in the "Those questions" thread which has been created for this sole purpose, answering all questions and gathering all in one place. Anyway. First of all i highly recommend using the word LEGION instead of chapter, since by this time, Space Marines were used in legions of several thousand men. Nowadays they're used in chapters which are composed of around 1000 men.

Ok, now that this is sorted, let's try to answer these questions.

1) Like midgit said, warp affects everything and corrupts whatever it gets in its hands. The armors slowly changed under the influence of Chaos, bearing new chaotic symbols and other perversions, destroying the ancient Imperial signs.

2) Sekmet and Carnivore answered, once again use the legionword. The Thousands sons, studying magic and spells against the will of the Emperor tryed to warn him of Horus' betrayal by sending him a telepathic warning. This not just disturbed the Emperor himself but was also a proof that his sons had disobeyed. He sent the Space Wolves to take care of them.

3) Horus has slowly been corrupted. Being responsible for the whole armies of the Imperium, it was a terrible task that even he couldn't properly deal with. Since the Emperor got back to Terra minding some special business, Horus felt left alone and could not find help anywhere. The Word Bearers noticed this and slowly lead him to the road of damnation in subtile ways. "Horus Rising" from the Black Library brings light on this period.

4)Horus knew his brothers well, and knew how to guide their feelings in the right way. Some Primarchs were just upset or jealous from the others. Horus convinced them in a subtle way to turn to Chaos, pointing his fingers where it hurts and telling them what they were dreaming to hear. Angron , Primarch of the World Eaters for example was always moaning about the fact he's never met a worthy ennemy... what better ennemies than other astartes could he ever find? Fulgrim of the Emperor's Children convinced his troops to always seek perfection in what they did, thus turning to slaanesh, the god of perfection was quite easy. Perturbaro of the Iron Warriors was quite jealous about Rogal Dorn (Imperial Fists), both Legions were specialised in siege warfare, but the Iron Warriors were so good at it that they were always sent to the front trenches in order to weaken the ennemy which would then be crushed by another legion (gaining the Honors of the victory). I believe that the only traitor legion which did not have a grudge against the Emperor or another Primarch must've been the Thousand Sons.

5) question answered above. I'm still waiting for this info to be confirmed but it makes sense: those who proved at the very beginning of the Heresy that they had the strengh to resist to Chaos and fled to warn the Emperor must've been kept aside for this specific project.

6) The heresy started quite quickly, and that's what made it so deadly. All traitor legions, excluding the Thousand Sons and the Death Guard were gathered on Istvaan where they took 3 other legions out. The emperor's Children, like the Iron Warriors, Night Lords and Alpha Legion were convinced by Horus on Istvaan and joined his forces against the 3 loyalist legions which just landed on the planet (do i need to list em again? Raven Guard, Salamanders & Iron Hands). There were no other traitor legion which turned to Chaos during the conflict, those who turned did it at the beginning.

7)Well Abaddon is a good example, isn't he? Ahriman, Typhus and Lucius the Eternal being granted with some specific powers which put the a bit over the stat of "normal marines" i wouldn't count them in it, but still there are many Chaos Lords (have a look at Yghmetor) which still are "normal" marines. Concerning the Primarchs, all of those who survived were turned into powerfull Deamon Princes.

8)This question is similar to #4, Horus did not try to convince other Primarchs and their Legions, some of them simply did not trust him enough. Corax for example was so upset with him that he took his legion back, out of his command. Roboute Guilliman was nearly as good as Horus in terms of strategy, the War Master knew that and that's why he sent the Ultramarines on a campaign to the other end of the Galaxy, too far to come back in time to reinforce Terra.

9) It was not just the Marine Legions which turned, Billions of normal humans did the same! Even some of the terrific Titan Legions turned towards Chaos. A HUGE part of the whole Imperial Army turned traitor, don't forget that.

10)Like midgit said (once more ;) ). Most of them repainted their armors to match their god's style. Don't forget the fact that when you betray something and want to destroy it, you won't keep the same look and bear the same signs... you spit on these ! If you compare the Pre-heresy paint schemes of Loyal legions to the colorscheme of the Chapters nowadays, you see that even the loyalist changed their way of painting.

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#10 12 years ago

We appear to be the same so I think if you composed Maxis, midgets and mine together .. you would have a thorough answer to your questions. Sorry, Maxi, mine took ages to do .. guess I pressed the button just before you did :lol: