Dread pwns me!
20th October 2005
by now if you still use an agp system you are just a poor bastard
3rd May 2005
Yeah, to be honest I really fail to see the point in this. I mean, I can understand supporting legacy hardware to an extent, but the AGP bus has been around since 1997. That's eleven years, which is an eon in the computer industry. It's well beyond time that support for the standard was retired altogether.
The points of hanging on to AGP a bit longer, esp via affordable, temporary 1 year or so upgrades is in fact a very valid one. It's also very short sighted to say those hanging on to them a bit longer are all "poor". I happen to have more than enough to build a system equal to the best I've seen on these forums but would rather wait until I can get a next gen quad like the Nehalem with shared cache, built in memory controller and Quick Path interconnects as well as a capable one card GPU in the 9800GTX. I'd also prefer a display that scales better than the ones I see available now and those are forthcoming too. I spent well under 10% of the price of my tower alone on my recent AGP upgrade ($183 total), doubling the RAM to 2 GB and getting a refurbed X1950Pro 512MB AGP which has not only given me an average of 50% better frame rates but allows me to play shader 3 required games whereas my X800XT did not. I got 4 yrs out of the X800XT and even if I get only 1 year out of the X1950Pro it will be well worth it. I look at the comments mocking AGP and I laugh because I know many whom are bragging about their Pci Ex rigs have already done the Doh!, shoulda bought this and swapped out parts already not to mention not being compatible with much better gear that's coming by the end of this year.
I wonder how long they'll keep coming out new AGP video cards. Back in 2006 I remember thinking that the 7800 GS would be the last agp card to be released.
Well it just goes to show like I said that many are content to hang on to them for either cost reasons or in my case, perferring to build a new rig with parts that aren't available yet. I would say by the end of this year the phase out will be noticably more prevalent and by end of '09 there won't likely be any more AGP cards made.
To be honsest I think this card will bottleneck 90 percent of all AGP machines out there so theres little point about this card.
Then again it's not likely targeted for "90 percent of all AGP machines out there", just higher end gaming ones.
I tawt I taw a puddy tat...
30th December 2002
What I don't get is this: You can get a dual core, new board, and 2gb of ram for like $200 these days, hardware that should whoop up on any aging AGP setup, even the highest end ones. Then there's the AGP cards always costing more than their PCI-E counterparts, making the price of a complete rig overhaul even smaller.
I honestly don't think there's any AGP rigs that wouldn't bottleneck a 3850 to an extent. Anyone with a CPU that could handle it has no business still being on that interface. So yeah, I think it's kind of pointless and money grubbing of ATI to do this to those who don't realize that.
But hey, it's not my money, and some have very limited resources to build, and I get that. Just seems like perpetual silliness to me.
LOL, I'm still encountering people that can't run Crysis on their Pci Ex stuff as well as I can on my AGP setup, it depends entirely on what the Pci Ex and AGP GPUs are. Thus that first sentence of yours only applies to "aging" AGP setups as you said, esp if you're only factoring $200 for the CPU, MB and RAM. Then you still have to account for the price of the GPU. Many of the more modern AGP cards do quite well and most of the performance in games still comes from the GPU. As well I don't think you're getting the point that many whom keep their AGP setups going are not trying to claim that AGP is as good as or better than Pci Ex, just that they for one reason or another are not ready to build an entire new system yet, which is far better than wasting $200 on the cheap upgrade you propose. Many that do that end up not being happy with their CPU and/or MB, which are critical parts. I already stated a very good reason for holding off and also reasons many have regretted taking the leap so soon. Wise purchases on new PC tech when you are building on an entirely new platform take careful forethought to avoid costly changes. Many that have gone to Pci Ex early on have wasted enough money changing parts already that would easily afford them the next gen tech that is just around the corner, and at a lower overall price than what they've already spent.