Okay so I've been using Logitech mice and after having a poor track record of unreliability and poor build quality I have no desire to ever purchase another Logitech mouse again. My current mouse still disconnects and reconnects when I'm gaming for no reason at all and it's a wired mouse. The only solution to that problem is banging the thing on the desk - and it works but I'm sick of doing it... So I'm looking at a new mouse again. Razer was always the spoke of alternative and the gamer's mouse or whatever. At least it was always setup at CompUSA when they were still in business. Anyways, I go checking around to see what they offer. Given my 1600 DPI isn't really cutting it anymore I'm trying to increase it and I see Razer offers the 1800 DPI DeathAdder and the 2000 DPI Copperhead. So I started looking around and came to find out the DeathAdder is frequently known for giving a double click problem and generally LMB recognition errors and such (People claim sometimes they hold it down and it needs to be retriggered to keep firing, others say it double clicks when you click only once, others report saying that after one click it acts like the button is stuck, etc). Reports of problems like this turned me off the DeathAdder. So I looked at the Razer Lachesis. Looks good, 4000 DPI and it comes in red which I want if possible, so I read some reviews of it - now it's the software. They claim stuff like variable axis motion and acceleration are causing problems. Others claim to have problems with the mouse jumping and someone reported the Y-axis completely failing. People say the side buttons require too much force to push down. One guy said the scroll wheel didn't catch properly. Someone else just said it was plain uncomfortable due to poor ergonomics for someone right handed. The bad thing about all these mice - with CompUSA out of business I have no where to go to hold one of these mice before buying it. Best Buy has Razer but they're never on display like the other mice (At least not the last time I went by - perhaps I'll check today and see if they do). Okay...so now what? I really want to like Razer - their mice look cool to me and they're not Logitech. Basically all that's left is the ridiculously over priced (to me) Black Mamba which is $120 and 5600 DPI (Sure hope that is REALLY adjustable - like I need 5600...). But now that's introducing wireless catchups to the situation. I hate being the overanalyzier that I am because invariably it ends up with me having to buy the most expensive (or wanting it anyway) product I can buy for what I'm looking at. I just keep seeing problems with Razer mice when I Google them. Then again, I see nothing but praise for junky Logitech when I look any of their stuff up and I have first hand bad experience so in a way I don't know how much to believe these reviews. One thing I keep seeing which seems like utter BS to me are these people saying the Razer mice need a special mouse pad (Sold by none other than Razer). I have a Ratpadz XT - I'm not buying another mouse pad. This pad is good and extremely durable (It's hard ABS plastic for those who don't know about it). Every person who has used a Ratpadz XT from what I looked up before buying it loved it and they all used optical mice. I gotta say I really like it too, but the skates on this cheap MX518 as I said totally wore off so I'm sure it isn't gliding as nicely as it could be. Ugh, can anyone help out? Perhaps someone here who has owned multiple (or the same) Razer mice? Is there a model that is like, bug free with no problems or any issues? I mean I hate this stupid MX518 mouse because it is worn and keeps disconnecting on me for no reason but as far as it working while connected it's always been fine. No mouse clicking problems or anything. Just that nice occasional disconnect when I'm playing an FPS that always gets me killed. And I did try drivers, different ports, different PCs, etc - it's the mouse. I think there's a short in it or something... I would like someone to tell me good things about Razer - but that's not what I truly want. I want honest feedback from someone who has owned/owns Razer mice. EDIT: Wow, I can't believe this. Best Buy has a great sale, check this out: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1185265538878&skuId=8472324&type=product The Logitech G9 for $50. What a steal, figures it's a Logitech...I really dislike the G9 though, it looks extremely uncomfortable to use casually and I do indeed use my mouse casually and in gaming. Not to mention I still have hangups on Logitech reliability.
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Any decent priced Logitech or Razer mouse will work wonders, Logitech have the better customer support by far. If your mouse ever stops working, simply contact them by email or phone, explain whats happening and 90% of the time they will ship you out a replacement in the space of 2 weeks. I've had the LX7, G5, G7, G9, RX7 and Revolution - NON of them had issues, all worked flawlessly and even tracked on glass, I only replaced the G7 as my other WiFi devices were causing to much interferance causing the WiFi to drop now and then. Not many people on a gaming forum are going to suggest anything other then Logitech or Razer, Microsoft make some good mice, but are nothing compared to Razer or Logitech. Your bad experiance with Logitech is very unusual. Out of interest did you try updating drivers for your Logi mouse? If its wired that is the ONLY thing that would cause it to drop out...
Reports of problems like this turned me off the DeathAdder.
If you go looking for reports of problems then you will find them with every mouse, just Razer or Logitech have less problems then the rest of the brands.
Every person who has used a Ratpadz XT from what I looked up before buying it loved it and they all used optical mice.
Optical is old and fail, Laser is the ONLY way to go for gaming mice. And Laser don't need a mouse pad, it helps, but bearly. Razer mice needing a Razer mouse pad is BS. Although I have the Razer eXactMat XSpeed and its fucking wicked! Big, comfy, very pricise, love it! (Worth the $100 I paid lol) I know what your like Shin so its no point really trying to help you, you seem set that Logitech are crap (even though they are highly regarding as the leaders in the market with Speakers, Mice, Keyboards and other peripherals), but you also seem quite certain that because you went looking for problems with Razer, that they are all terrible. Neither company are bad, both have great customer service, great products, and in the end are comparable to each other in terms of quality of everything. Like I've always said, "You get what you pay for" and I do know from experiance pay cheap Razer or Logitech and you get a cheap product. Thus even though you'll insist you spent hundreds on your mice, I'm going to say go look at the Logitech G9 or look again at the Razer DeathAdder, both are expensive, but WELL worth it, you'll be hard pushed to find a user of the G9 or DeathAdder that doens't like it. (G9 didn't win mouse of the year for no reason) --EDIT-- Yep I was typing my reply as I read yours lol, Just read your last paragraph. I suggest you take another look at the G9 - Logitech are not bad at all.
And I did try drivers, different ports, different PCs, etc - it's the mouse. I think there's a short in it or something...
In that case warrant it, or just complain to Logitech and they WILL replace it free of charge without hassle. My G9 has a 5 year warranty, my G7, G5, LX7 and RX7 had 3 years, and the Revolution had 5. Logitech are really good when it comes down to a dodgy product, you shouldn't have hassles if you contact them.
The dropping in & out sounds like a usb connection issue. I swear by Logitech. I have been using the mx518 for over 5 years(I am on my 2nd one). As far as needing a "special" mouse pad, that is marketing bs. A good mouse will track on almost anything. The Razers are a good brand. too. It is really up to the price for me.
Logitech and Razer are probably the best peripherals manufacturers out there.
You'll find problems with everything. With my MX Revolution mouse: "the grips wears off, the left click dies after a month, the scroll wheel broke... " etc. I've had it for over a year and it's still excellent. You'll find problems with everything if you look hard enough.
I've briefly used the Razer Mamba, and it's very nice. Quite a comfortable mouse, probably one of the most comfortable I've ever used. Quite a bit bigger than what I'm used to, but very nice. Obviously, being Razer, it'll be very accurate and all that jazz as well.
You really need to stop calling an entire company junky/crap, whatever, because of one bad experience. Logitech are an excellent company, anyone here will tell you that. You'll have more choice with them than with Razer, and they'll be cheaper. Give them another shot. :)
If you're having problems of your mouse feet wearing off thats due to your "excellent" mouse pad, not the mouse. If you want your mouse feet to last forever I suggest a cloth mouse pad. And, I hope you know you can replace the mouse feet on any mouse for around $4 if thats the problem.
If you're having problems of the mouse cutting in and out that means either 1. your USB ports are bad or 2. a cord is tearing on the inside of your mouse USB cable. Another good idea is to NEVERRRR EVER EVER install mouse software for a mouse. If you want to tweak settings use the windows mouse speed settings. There will be no difference in gameplay between stock DPI and 200000000billion dpi that mice are currently rated at. If you stick the bar on 5-6 and set it properly in-game you'll be more than fine.
kow_ciller;4954205 Another good idea is to NEVERRRR EVER EVER install mouse software for a mouse. If you want to tweak settings use the windows mouse speed settings. There will be no difference in gameplay between stock DPI and 200000000billion dpi that mice are currently rated at. If you stick the bar on 5-6 and set it properly in-game you'll be more than fine.
I use the default 3 dpi settings on my mx518 & adjust sensitivity within the game. Works much better. I have found the "official software" to be more troublesome.
I have the same disconnect problem with my 2-3 year old IBM mouse. It never made a very good gaming mouse due to the fact that it couldn't handle fast, jerky moves (DPI issue?). Other than that, I loved it-until it started doing exactly what you experience. It randomly disconnects, and you have to bang/move the mouse around or re-connect the USB plug to restart it. I know it's not the usb port-as it's had the same issue on 2-3 perfectly good computers. I don't think it's the drivers either, because my dad has the same mouse bought at the same time, used the same amount of time, and he's never experienced the problem.
I though I was saved when I found a cheapo Ione mouse bundled with a cheap computer we bought, but after about a month, the left-click started wearing out, and sometimes releasing grip for a split second, causing me to let go of my grenade when playing COD.
If I could fix the IBM mouse, that would be cool, but if not, I'm in the same boat as Shintsu, trying to find a new mouse. I just want something that I can rely on to work, nothing expensive! :bawl:
I've never had a mouse die on me, and I've been through more than I can count, most of them crap ones that I've since given away or whatever. I had a mouse from Logitech - a very old thing, one of their first optical mice - and it was working for almost five years. The only reason it died was me plugging it into a defective USB port that fried it.
I said that I dislike Logitech because my last mouse before this one was a Logitech and I had to replace it because it just wore out and stopped working after two years. I have an old Microsoft trackball mouse from the 90's that's PS/2 and that thing still works it's just an old trackball mouse. It's probably 10-12 years old now. I'm not saying I like Microsoft mice - the only mouse they make in this category is the Sidewinder and it looks like such a silly thing with the silver "chrome" buttons. Their other mice are all just generic looking. Well, I contacted Logitech ages ago when it first started doing this and they never even told me anything. No suggestions, no "we'll send you another", nothing. Technically they could still send me anything because they never responded to my support request. Most support I deal with when I have a complex problem usually replies once or twice before acting like they didn't get my other email. I guess because my problem isn't in their generic book of "Try this to fix it" they don't want to do anything for me. My mouse is as I said getting old now anyways, they're not going to do anything about it now - factory warranty period is ages past. Also, did you say $100 on a mouse pad? ...erm, that's uh, a little much...I spent $25 on this Ratpadz XT and it is great. The mouse feet on this mouse are not wearing off due to this mouse pad, they're wearing off because I have to keep smacking it on the desk to make it work. Again, I do not like the G9. It looks like a tiny mouse. I am apparently more of a "palmer" with my mice - I put my palm on the mouse and let my fingers rest on the buttons. I don't do the claw grip that some people do or any other variation of it. That mouse looks way too tiny for my hand to do that with. Besides, as the old saying goes: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." What kind of idiot would I be for buying a third Logitech mouse after the two before it were junk? That MX700 was not a cheap mouse, this MX518 was only slightly less than what the MX700 cost. Logitech blew it, I give them no more chances. I can't even take this mouse apart to look inside it because Logitech hid all the screws under the sticker. I'm none too fond of the idea of tearing that off so I can get inside it and if I try to put it back on it might stick out when I'm using it. Again, I'm going to see if the local Best Buy store carries a Razer - if I have problems there then I can return the damn thing for another at least. Might be my only option to try them out and see how I like them.