Alright, after having quite a bit of excess money that I'm not using for anything I've been looking at buying an LCD. Normally I wouldn't downgrade from my nice CRT but this CRT is only a 19". I've been looking at LCDs in the 24"-26" range and I'm trying to determine which is the right size for me. I can fit either one on my desk with relative ease, I measured my 26" LCD TV and it would fit on this desk if I were to move it here. I would use my TV but it has no VGA or DVI ports, plus it's only 720p so I can't see the resolution being that good on it (I've been looking at monitors with a 1920 x 1200 resolution). Someone was telling me if I got a 26" though that I'd be killing my eyes by being that close to it, but I'm not sure that's true. I thought CRTs were the ones that can damage your eyes, can LCDs as well? At the moment, I'm sitting about 25" away from my monitor and this is where I usually sit. During games I somtimes sit about 17.5" away from the screen. In either case, am I too close? Also, I was considering that my monitor is deep since it's a CRT. If I get an LCD I can set it back further and I'll be sitting about 30" away at casual viewing and more like 20" when I'm gaming (Possibly more, I'm being conservative with the measurements). What size would be the best for my eyes at those distances? On a somewhat less related note, does anyone know what actual stores I can buy a decent priced large LCD monitor at? Best Buys selection is really weak and their prices are high. Newegg has a lot of great monitors I like, but their return policy of 8 or more dead pixels for a return blows and I really really don't want to do that because I don't want any dead pixels (Unless there's a way I can "make" more dead pixels so it meets their criteria). Is there a website with a better return policy in regards to dead pixels on LCD monitors?
Alright, sorry for DPing but I found a monitor that looks pretty good and just wanted to get some advice from someone. I found a 24" Sceptre LCD on TigerDirect for $329 (It was $300 yesterday, then it said "No longer available" and I freaked out but now it's back and it's the higher price). It has a 2 ms response time (I think GTG, not sure), 4000:1 contrast ratio and a 1920 x 1200 max resolution. Here is the link for all the other info. Does anyone have Sceptre to speak of their quality? It comes with a one year warranty which granted isn't a long time, but if it's good for a year it'll be good for several more. I read somewhere that Sceptre was actually made by Hitachi but that was in reference to a large monitor they made or something. Also, has anyone used TigerDirect's 30 day guarantee policy? It basically sounds like if I don't like anything about it I can send it back, which would mean dead pixels. Please let me know guys, I'd really like to buy this today before the price goes up again or it disappears all together or anything else.
11th September 2002
That 24" Sceptre LCD uses a TN panel, and based off my first experience with them I wasn't impressed. TN panels suffer from poor viewing angles and can't produce 24-bit truecolor.
On the other hand, they do have fast response times.
I tawt I taw a puddy tat...
30th December 2002
That seems to be a fair price, and Sceptres are decent monitors, kind of a middle tier brand. Samsung, Viewsonic, Dell or even Acer are better brands, but I digress. I'd say go for it if you are really antsy. Newegg has the same model and with shipping, it's about the same price (within $5). Just thought I'd point that out since I doubt they'll be too hard to find as you consider others.
One thing to consider though with an LCD monitor is if you really want to get that high of a resolution if you intend to use it for gaming. To run games well at 1920x1200, you're going to need a pretty beefy video card like an ATI 4870 or better to get really good performance. But, that would mean getting a smaller 22" monitor since I don't think you can get 24" models at a lower resolution than 1920x1200.
On LCD's, everything looks best at the native resolution, once you start using lower resolutions (like 1680x1050 or 1440x900, etc), it won't look nearly as sharp. It's not horrible looking, but the IQ does degrade, something that doesn't happen on a CRT when lowering resolutions.
Not trying to scare you off from the purchase, just something to consider. Once I finally pull my 37" TV off my desk, I'm going for a 22" model for gaming.
No, I'm not set on the Sceptre it just specced out the best and was the biggest and most affordable monitor I had seen. I thought most monitors used S-PVA? I certainly do not like the TN technology. I saw it on Newegg but as I've said elsewhere, Newegg's return policy blows. You have to have 8 dead pixels or more to return it. That means I can have 7 and they'll say tough luck. TigerDirect has a 30 day guarantee, any reason you don't like it send it back. I refuse to accept Newegg's poor policies on monitors, if they can't get with the times then thats their business lost. In regards to the video card thing, would an 8800 GTS (G92) be good enough to run that kind of resolution? Currently Newegg has an MSI 8800 GTS for $177 after rebate which is quite reasonable. I don't mind stepping down to a 22" but I really wanted to get big if I'm switching from CRT to LCD. Out of curiosity, what monitor actually uses the 2560 x 1600 resolution most video cards support up to? I always was looking for a CRT that would do 2048 x 1536 and even after buying a giant Viewsonic 21" graphic series it's max res was 1600 x 1200... Something I had thought about, I have a 26" Panasonic TV with an HDMI input. Well, I've got a DVI to HDMI adapter...how decent would it look if I were to hook my PC up to my TV and use it as my monitor? It's only capable of 1080i or 720p so I'm not sure as far as resolution settings what it could do. That's why I like straight up monitors, the resolutions are actually given whereas most TVs don't. Someone around here had a 32" Acer monitor for $500 which is why I ask. If I bought that, I'd use my Panasonic for my monitor and the Acer for my TV (Has a tuner in it I believe). I've not really looked at much else wise since I found that Sceptre. What other monitors would you all recommend in the $340 or less category? Keep in mind, I don't want to drop below 22" and widescreen. No particular rush on this anymore since I'm likely not buying the Sceptre now.
I tawt I taw a puddy tat...
30th December 2002
An 8800GTS would do the job on a 24" OK, but it really depends on the game. Newer, more demanding games are going to be a bit of a struggle at really high resolutions. You may want to consider a new ATI 4850 (<--link) for around the same price ($195) since it performs a good 20% better (or more) than the GTS. Check the (spoilered) benchmarks in the ATI vs Nvidia thread for more on that as well as the performance at the higher resolutions.
As for using your TV, it depends on your preference. I've been using my 37" (connected to VGA input) for the past 10 months and I can't complain. Like yours, it's also a 720p. My tv has a resolution of 1360x768, so it's not too taxing on my 8800GT at all, even less than my 19" Samsung was (1280x1024). I don't sit at my desk using it, it's way to big for that, I sit across the room from it either on my bed or couch, typically 7-8 feet away.
Your TV should be at least 1280x720, the standard for 720p. That may or may not be high enough to suit you.
If you go for a 22", the price drops significantly. I bought my mother a 22" Acer for $219 and free shipping a couple months ago, and after using it, I intend to buy the same one for myself. You may want to go look at some 22 inch monitors in person to be sure that's large enough for you. They pretty much look just like my 19" 4x3 does, just widened out (basically the same height, just wider).
I would die without GF
15th March 2006
I can confirm that an 8800GTS - at least the 320MB version - struggles quite a lot with the latest games at higher resolutions. There's nothing to stop you running it at a lower resolution though, with a decent monitor it won't look that bad.
Well, I was looking on Newegg and actually a 9800GTX can be had for basically the same price as the 8800GTS. I really can't go with an ATI card like that though, my entire system is designed for SLI (Nvidia 750i graphics chipset on mobo), SLI power supply, I mean I'm using an ATI X1900XTX right now because it was cheap and much better than my 6600GT. I know that ATI has a ton more stream processors but I can never SLI them which seems pointless since I went to all the trouble of making my PC SLI supportive.
...burning angel wings to dust
14th February 2004
SFW? (And I don't mean to ask if it's safe for work.)
Anyone who buys a 9800GTX right now--excuse me for saying so--is a fracking idiot. It costs as much and performs worse than the HD 3850. If you've already got one, fine. But until NVIDIA decides to drop the 9800GTX to $150 or so (which means EOLing the 8800GT first), only a moron would make that sale.
And nobody can SLI ATI cards. It's called Crossfire. True, you can't do the latter on your board, but thems the breaks. Chips didn't fall in your favour this round.
But hey--it's your money, so I'll get off my (somewhat off-topic) soapbox now.
Uhh okay, look at this: EVGA 512-P3-N875-AR GeForce 9800 GTX KO 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail Now look at this one: EVGA 512-P3-N845-AR GeForce 8800GTS (G92) KO 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card -Retail If I'm going to buy an Nvidia card for right at $200 or so why the hell shouldn't I buy a 9800 GTX? I specifically steered clear of the Intel chipsets to get an nForce chipset, why would I stay with ATI? If I bought a 4850 right now and it gets outdated quickly (Which video cards seem to be doing faster anymore) I can't pick another one up cheap and double it, I have to essentially pitch it and buy a different video card. Not to mention I actually have been getting a few graphical fits with this video card (Which is typical of my experience with ATI). Sorry, just don't have no where near the faith in ATI that I used to. My last ATI card I bought brand new was a 9600 SE and it was a POS. Before that I had a 9000 Pro and it crapped out which is why I bought the 9600 SE. I've been Nvidia ever since and have been very pleased with everything I've used. I used that old 6600 GT forever and it still played games relatively well (Except BF2...).