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Shintsu

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Forewarning, I like Nvidia - I don't like ATI too much. Therefore I am looking at buying another Nvidia card. I haven't totally ruled out an ATI card but if I get an ATI card the card itself better be physically big with a heatsink and look something similar to the GTX series in size. I just don't see how they could get near the same power with a card that's much smaller - plus I have the room. So I'm tired of my GTX 260 crashing and being junk. Not really an Nvidia problem so much as an EVGA problem - not going into that as I made a post about it long ago. So rule out EVGA as a suggestible brand. Now my question - what video card would I need to be looking at in the Nvidia line up to upgrade from my GTX 260 (I don't have the 216 core version). I really don't want too spend too terribly much on this (Would obviously love a GTX 295 but the funds are not there). I'm thinking a $170-$200ish video card - obviously will pay less if something less offers better performance. I don't expect to see huge gains from this upgrade but would like something at least worth the effort to upgrade to. Benchmark charts would be appreciated to help show the difference. If you're a certain someone who is reading this and getting ready to post something about why I should love ATI and how terrible Nvidia is (You know who you are) don't do it. I'm asking for advice on an Nvidia card and am not completely opposed to an ATI suggestion but I don't want the ATI vs Nvidia spiel. IMPORTANT - I forgot to mention fan noise is very important to me. I want it to be relatively quiet. This EVGA card is loud when cranked up and still overheats so it's ineffective for whatever reason.




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#2 9 years ago
Shintsu

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#3 9 years ago

I saw the PNY. Between PNY and BFG Tech - who is less of a hassle to deal with and better with customer support? Here's the BFG Tech - looks slightly overclocked and it's $5 more than the PNY. Newegg.com - BFG Tech BFGEGTX275896OCE GeForce GTX 275 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards Out of curiosity what is ATIs equivalent in this price range performance wise? Can someone tell me why all the ATI cards have a 256-bit memory interface too? Never understood that, my GTX 260 has a 448-bit interface and I've seen larger ones for the larger amounts of memory too. How about this ATI? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127427 How does that compare to the BFG Tech and PNY above? I just don't get how ATI markets their cards, Nvidia cards manage to be faster sometimes even with numbers much lower and ATIs can be slower with higher numbers. It's all quite confusing to me. Furthermore, how does this fare? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102809 EDIT: Did a little bit of quick research before going off to sleep, the BFG GTX 275 seems to consistently outperforming the 4890 but the 4890 is nearly the same performance it seems - it's usually really close. So that leaves my biggest question - how good is BFG's support? EDIT 2: And let me ask between these three nearly identical GTX 275 models, is the factory overclocking of the speeds worth it (allow for more OC?) or are they just marketing tools by BFG to tell people to buy the faster one if they won't overclock? If so, their fastest stock OC'ed card is only $20 more. But is it worth $20 more for that than the $200 base model GTX 275? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2%2050001883%2040000048%20106792634&bop=And&SpeTabStoreType=1&ActiveSearchResult=True&CompareItemList=N82E16814143183%2CN82E16814143199%2CN82E16814143196




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#4 9 years ago

EVGA- Owned 4 of them(including my current gtx275), They never failed or overheated. 100% lifetime warranty, great step-up program. I can attest to them NOT BEING JUNK.

That being said, For a bit more you get a gtx 275, but it will have the same issue with fan speed as it is an issue with the nvidia drivers. But you can use the evga precision tool to crank up the fan speed. ALL nvidia reference coolers are loud when cranked up, & if you want to cool the card better/silently, get an aftermarket cooler. For the best performance to price ratio, an ati 4890 just cannot be beat. But again, almost all high end cards run hot & you will have to either crank up the fan speed or get an aftermarket cooler.

For Customer support, BFG has its share of problems,too. I actually have had better support experience with evga over bfg,(I used to own a bfg 7900gt, a very problematic card, nvidias fault not bfg, but they would not honor the "lifetime warranty") but as you are set in your ways, it does no good to say contrary even though it is just your opinion vs mine. XFX has an excellent warranty too.




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#5 9 years ago

BFG helped me out with my card even when the problem was due to me rendering my system unbootable due to overclocking. Granted it was only a quick software fix * , not like they had to replace the card, but they didn't even have to help with it since it was my fault.

* I had a dumbass moment tbh, since it was software overclocking all I had to do was boot into safe mode and change the setting, but I forgot about that at the time.




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#6 9 years ago

Shintsu;4958341Forewarning, I like Nvidia - I don't like ATI too much. Therefore I am looking at buying another Nvidia card. I haven't totally ruled out an ATI card but if I get an ATI card the card itself better be physically big with a heatsink and look something similar to the GTX series in size. I just don't see how they could get near the same power with a card that's much smaller - plus I have the room.[/quote]

Die shrink?

Shintsu;4958341 So I'm tired of my GTX 260 crashing and being junk. Not really an Nvidia problem so much as an EVGA problem - not going into that as I made a post about it long ago.[/quote]

... it WAS NOT an EVGA problem...

[QUOTE=Shintsu;4958341] I'm thinking a $170-$200ish video card - obviously will pay less if something less offers better performance. I don't expect to see huge gains from this upgrade but would like something at least worth the effort to upgrade to. Benchmark charts would be appreciated to help show the difference.

A 275 is, as the others have said, your best bet. I can't find anything better than the cards they already linked to. [QUOTE=Shintsu;4958341] IMPORTANT - I forgot to mention fan noise is very important to me. I want it to be relatively quiet. This EVGA card is loud when cranked up and still overheats so it's ineffective for whatever reason.

The 200 series aren't quiet. You won't hear them when idling, but in game, don't expect a whisper quiet room.




TheClairvoyant

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#7 9 years ago

I've scoured some sites for an answer to the same problem, and the conclusion I've come to is: the 4890 performs almost identically to the 275, but that isn't the only factor. The 4890 is much cooler at load than the 275, according to 2-3 different sites. It is about 15-20C lower. It also overclocks more. If they perform the same at reference frequencies, the 4890 will almost definitely perform better when they are overclocked to their potential. The power draw between them is minimal, but the 4890 is a few watts less. A big down side of the 4890 is that it's extremely loud. Many people compare it to a hair dryer when above 65% fan speed. If you want to find some of those comparisons, just Google "4890 vs 275", and you'll find plenty of them.




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#8 9 years ago

Well, if you're looking at getting a 4890 all I can say is... DO IT. These cards are amazing. While they're extremely loud once you crank up the fan speed, if you have any music or sound on when they're on load its not noticeable. They do idle in the 50-60*C range, but only get to around 65-70*C under load. Another giant plus about the 4890 is the ability to add an aftermarket heatsink. If the noise is too much for you, just spend $25 and throw a Accelero S1 on there with a $3 fan. If you're going to buy one ASAP I'd suggest this card since its $10 more than the MSI, but you dont have to deal with a mail in rebate, and it has free shipping so it pretty much evens out. Newegg.com - HIS H489F1GP Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards

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Shintsu;4958341 Not really an Nvidia problem so much as an EVGA problem - not going into that as I made a post about it long ago. So rule out EVGA as a suggestible brand.

Its kind of funny that you say that because all reference Nvidia cards are made in the same factory by flextronics. The only evga problem might be the bios fan profile. But if you're going to get a PNY card I would say to NEVER do business with PNY since their customer service is absolutely horrible.

TheClairvoyant - I'd have to say that your statement of temp differences of 15-20*C are highly exaggerated. While there is a 3-4*C difference its not THAT big of a deal. If your computer doesn't have good enough airflow that you have to own a different video card for a 3-4*C difference maybe having a high-end video card isn't for you.




Shintsu

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#9 9 years ago
Count_Chocu1a;4958407EVGA- Owned 4 of them(including my current gtx275), They never failed or overheated. 100% lifetime warranty, great step-up program. I can attest to them NOT BEING JUNK. That being said, For a bit more you get a gtx 275, but it will have the same issue with fan speed as it is an issue with the nvidia drivers. But you can use the evga precision tool to crank up the fan speed. ALL nvidia reference coolers are loud when cranked up, & if you want to cool the card better/silently, get an aftermarket cooler. For the best performance to price ratio, an ati 4890 just cannot be beat. But again, almost all high end cards run hot & you will have to either crank up the fan speed or get an aftermarket cooler. For Customer support, BFG has its share of problems,too. I actually have had better support experience with evga over bfg,(I used to own a bfg 7900gt, a very problematic card, nvidias fault not bfg, but they would not honor the "lifetime warranty") but as you are set in your ways, it does no good to say contrary even though it is just your opinion vs mine. XFX has an excellent warranty too.

Let me say this, yesterday I was playing EaW for awhile. Settings turned all the way up, but most of my time was in the galactic overview screen. I manually set the fan speed to 75% before I even started in that EVGA precision control. So I play for about two hours, then at some point when I'm clicking something at that main galactic overview screen my mouse freezes - music keeps playing. The hell? So I patiently wait for it to start responding. It seems like it's stuttering, not being able to keep up. I wait a bit more. Now it's catching up, I hit alt+tab once and it now was showing part of my desktop, part of the game melted onto an open window. I wait a bit more - giant graphics. Nv4 display DLL fail. Again (I'm really getting tired of seeing this dialog box - never saw it on my damn MSI 6600 GT from ages ago). I'm tired of this. What do I have to do? I have an Antec P182 case, three 120mm fans all set at medium speed, I prop the front door open, and the video card fan speed is cranked to 75%. Shit, do I have to put the video card at 100% and turn all three of my fans to high speed? Ugh, it's simply ridiculous - I can't see how it needs any more air. If only I had the money to just liquid cool the bastard... Anyway, when I looked at the 275 vs the 4890 it seemed in many cases to be close. But in some games, the Nvidia cards wiped the floor with all the ATI cards. And I mean there were like 10 Nvidia cards at the top and the eleventh card was the 4870 x2 which normally was near the top with the GTX 295. It seems that there are more games that are "Nvidia optimized" while hardly any are "ATI optimized". I feel like the PhysX processor may have some involvement in that as well. I somewhat like Nvidia due to having PhysX on their cards and since ATI cards cannot have it is somewhat of a turnoff of their cards to me. But I truly don't know how much this matters in some games. I downloaded that game Crazy machines which is supposedly PhysX dependent and it ran like ass on my computer. The liquid just brought it down to a crawl. Really pathetic if you ask me, and Nvidia advertises it on their site like something you should run out and download... So overriding my fan control isn't fixing my heat problem, what is it then? My case is cool to the touch as it is and my room isn't hot and there's lots of ventilation space around my computer. I'm reading reviews of other cards like the BFG GTX 275 and these people are talking about 33% fan speed under load and not running hotter than 50 degrees C. Hell, this thing at 75% under load runs about 70+ degrees C. Anyone have any suggestions in this area either?




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#10 9 years ago
TheClairvoyant;4958538The 4890 is much cooler at load than the 275, according to 2-3 different sites. It is about 15-20C lower. It also overclocks more. If they perform the same at reference frequencies, the 4890 will almost definitely perform better when they are overclocked to their potential. The power draw between them is minimal, but the 4890 is a few watts less. A big down side of the 4890 is that it's extremely loud.[/QUOTE]Which is no doubt why it runs cooler, the fan is probably clocked higher than the 275's is. Simple cure is using RivaTuner or nTune to set the 275 fan higher. It may even be much of the reason the 4890 OCs better, IF in fact it does.[QUOTE=The_Daedalus;4958416]... it WAS NOT an EVGA problem...

I would say that's correct from what I've read and heard on that issue. And in boycotting EVGA, one would be giving up a great opportunity to get a 275 around October, and upgrade to a DX11 card come Jan 2010.