Does USB really need to keep evolving these new standards? 8 replies

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#1 3 weeks ago

USB keeps getting faster and having funny shaped plugs but my question is - why?

Does anyone have any genuine wide use case for faster speed or a new port shape? Other than faster charging - which we have now - most people don't need to do huge transfers of data quickly. And what peripherals really need it these days?


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#2 3 weeks ago

The main problem with USB right now is not the speeds, the connector or the use cases, it's the batshit naming schemes they keep coming up with.


It's like they took naming classes taught by Apple and Razer.


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#3 3 weeks ago

Is there some new standard being proposed? My opinion is that USB 3.1 connectors are the holy grail thus far. Huge improvement from micro-B, which was the de-facto standard for phones and many devices previously. More robust, and much easier to connect since it can be plugged in either way. I don't think there's a good case for making another improvement for a while, but the main improvement with coming out with a new connector type would be either allowing faster datarates, higher current capacity, lower cost, or better robustness than previous connectors. Or just corporate need for making more money by forcing everyone to a new connector type, but that's the stuff of conspiracy theories.




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#5 3 weeks ago

I wish I could make it through more than 30 seconds of a Linus Tech Tips video.




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#6 3 weeks ago

My computer is from 2010, and it has USB 2. It works perfectly good as-is.


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#7 3 weeks ago

There are two speeds for everything 'fast enough I didn't notice' and 'slow.' 

Like, how fast does your pen write? You don't care, at least not unless it's so poorly made that it barely qualifies as a pen. 

Doing things like transferring images from my camera, USB is still slow.


Mind you, the wide use case for these things doesn't necessarily relate purely to data-transfer speeds. Desktop PCs, by way of example, have a lot of problems with things like wireless transfer to mobile devices. Where the time you take the plug the thing in is the bottle-neck. Speed is relative to use.




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#8 3 weeks ago

It also has a lot to do with First World Problems.


I honestly have no problems with plugging in my phone to move photos to my PC. For anyone who plays games on their PC, that USB to Micro USB cable is already there anyway, and already plugged in. All you need to do is unplug the PS4 controller, and plug in the phone. Simple. Easy. Done.


That swap takes all of 5 seconds. If someone cannot be bothered to do that, they have no idea just how good they have life nowadays. The gods forbid they be inconvenienced for 5 seconds.


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#9 3 weeks ago
Posted by Lindale

It also has a lot to do with First World Problems.


I honestly have no problems with plugging in my phone to move photos to my PC. For anyone who plays games on their PC, that USB to Micro USB cable is already there anyway, and already plugged in. All you need to do is unplug the PS4 controller, and plug in the phone. Simple. Easy. Done.


That swap takes all of 5 seconds. If someone cannot be bothered to do that, they have no idea just how good they have life nowadays. The gods forbid they be inconvenienced for 5 seconds.

First world problem or not, the trend your endorse; progress or decay; matters.

There's a motivation that some people have to make things fractionally better with each change, and the end result of that is at the very least things don't fall apart. That's the trend that gave us little shelves so that bricklayers don't have to bend down to pick up each brick from a pile (which has advantages in both speed and the health of the bricklayer.) The upswing of this trend allows for amazing things to happen, with each generation pushing the culture just a little further along.

There's also a way of looking at the world that's like 'Well, what do five seconds matter?' and the result of that trend is that you repeatedly pay five seconds here, five seconds there, until your cost becomes total. It's the same nonsense that has everyone fill out a slip for the receptionists on the phones to tell the receptionist where they are, and when you do the maths across everyone's time in a company it turns out to cost you £5,000 a year in staff time and printing. It's a kind of snearing disdain for minor inconvenience that lets the world rot.

Now I grant you readily enough that marginally better USB connectivity, or wireless connectivity, isn't going to change the world any time soon. This isn't the most important problem. But what of it? This happens to be the thing that's in front of us and that we're speaking of right now. What trend do you want? What contribution do you want to make to the situation? Progress or decay? Okay, you picked progress. Well as it happens we're talking about connectivity - this seems to be the direction of progress. Pick a different trend and justify picking it and we can at least have a discussion about principles, or pick a different subject to talk about and go start a discussion on that, or pick a different direction of progress to promote.




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