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Sgt. D. Pilla

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#1 9 years ago

...a 60GB OCZ Vertex SSD for a wicked price of $190 inc. (A 150GB V-Raptor was $160 with half the write and read speeds :uhoh:) Win 7 installed in less then 10 minutes, Boot time including Raid initialization went down from 1 minute to 20 seconds. Using various HDD testing tools I achieve AVERAGE speeds 280MBps read, and 170MBps write (Even though quoted max's are 230 and 160 respectivly). Micro stutter? Bullshit lol. Just thought I'd post my opinion, which previously when I was saying they are well worth it, was not even close, no way in hell V-Raptors are worth it anymore, at least not at the AUD cost price. Next pay I'll buy another one and put them in a Raid 0 :)

If you consider buying one, do it, no point holding back.




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#2 9 years ago

Yeah we went through the whole microstutter scenario already, and you still aren't acknowledging that the Indilink controllers that avoid it create other tradeoffs to get reasonable life out of the drives that use them, namely turning off write intensive OS operations. You acted like I didn't know about it but in fact what was pointed out was info I'd already read, which is why I didn't bother pursuing them any further and had forgotten much of it.

You're also somewhat overstating the overall speed difference since the 60GB models you're talking about only write 15MB/s faster than a VRaptor and that's best case scenario. For large writes, which is only considered to be 50MB and up, they'd be no faster. I don't know what scenario you're having price wise on other brands down there but in the US, G. Skill seems the best bet.

As I said before, you don't get great write speed differences until you step up to the 120/128 GB models that use denser Nand. On those you'll see 180-190 MB/s write speed vs 135. In those capacities G. Skill still kills the competition, including OCZ. Especially considering the Falcon uses identical parts.

We're talking $319 for a 128GB G. Skill Falcon with 230 MB/s read, 190MB/s write, vs $365 w/ rebate, $385 without for the 120GB OCZ Vertex, with 230 MB/s read, and 180 MB/s write. By my calculations that's $2.49 per GB on the Falcon and $3.04 per GB on the Vertex, and that's IF you get it during the rebate period, which is only through July and Newegg USA is out of stock on them right now.

There will be lots of deals forthcoming on the smaller capacities because word is getting out about them being slower due to using less dense Nand. The 120/128 GB models are slowly but surely becoming the sweet spot in the SSD market, and the time to start jumping on them will probably be about when W7 releases and the super fast SATA 3 models come out.




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#3 9 years ago
namely turning off write intensive OS operations.

Thats not true, find me one thing that it would turn off. I've already been through and nothing has been turned off.

You're also somewhat overstating the overall speed difference since the 60GB models you're talking about only write 15MB/s faster than a VRaptor and that's best case scenario. For large writes, which is only considered to be 50MB and up, they'd be no faster.

Riiiight. So the VRaptor's 50MB vs the OCZ Vertex's 160MB is the same? Fairly sure 160 is over tripple 50. As I said, I'm achieving 170MBps write AVERAGE (as in, copy for an hr or so and it's still going that speed) V-Raptors drop down to 50 or so, if not lower. Don't try and tell me they are the same speed.

$385 without for the 120GB OCZ Vertex, with 230 MB/s read, and 180 MB/s write.

Big deal? That's mega cheap.

The 120/128 GB models are slowly but surely becoming the sweet spot in the SSD market.

Meh, im not complaining, the 120GB vs 60GB models of the Vertex are almost identical speeds for like 100$ more. Compared to a V-Raptor that is the same price as the SSDs and less then half the write speeds.




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#4 9 years ago

:rolleyes:...face palming over how terribly misinterpreted my easy to follow words were there.

Obviously you haven't read any guides on how to setup an Indilink MLC SSD. I was talking about it being recommended that the user manually turn off certain OS operations that are write intensive to make the drive last longer, NOT that the drive turns off such functions as a quirk.

The main reason Indilink controlled SSDs don't stutter like their predecessors that don't use them is that the Indilink controller allows data to be erased at anytime, vs only when space is required for a desired operation. This means there's going to be a LOT more writing done and the tech hasn't evolved enough at reasaonable prices (eg affordable SLC drives) to not have to take precautions like turning off write intensive OS operations.

Your other gross misinterpretation was thinking I meant 50 MB/s speed on the VRaptor. It's actual write speed is in fact 120 MB/s. The 50MB was obviously the size of the file being written as I explained. In bench tests they generally use 50MB and 100MB as large write scenarios. If you think the VRaptor only writes at 50Mb/s, clearly you don't know the specs on them. Have you actually read any detailed benches on them?

As for your claims on the 60GB Vertex ave write speed, well that's just hard to believe considering the manufacturer's spec, which is always best case scenario, is only 135 MB/s, and bench tests have shown it to be in fact lower on large writes of 50-100 MB. This is sounding all too much like the old Pilla that always has a hard time hearing the truth about what he's bought.

Well $385 may sound cheap to you at the Aus prices you're used to seeing, but would you honestly pay that if you could get a drive with the same exact parts for $66 less AND 8GB more capacity? Especially if it was in stock and the OCZ was out of stock? I don't think so, unless you're a senseless OCZ fanboy.

No Pilla, come down off your cloud for a moment and actually read something pertinent to the speed issue. The large capacity models, and that includes the Vertex, use denser Nand, which is significantly faster. It's not quite as fast on the Vertex as the Falcon (180 vs 190 MB/s), but BOTH are quite a bit faster than their 60/64GB counter parts which each have only 135 MB/s write speed.




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#5 9 years ago
Sgt. D. Pilla;4947766...a 60GB OCZ Vertex SSD for a wicked price of $190 inc.

Where'd you bring it to? ;)


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#6 9 years ago
and you still aren't acknowledging that the Indilink controllers that avoid it create other tradeoffs to get reasonable life out of the drives that use them, namely turning off write intensive OS operations

Thats definently you saying that the SSD disables write intensive operations, no where in there did you say user, if you mean't user maybe you should have said that.

The main reason Indilink controlled SSDs don't stutter like their predecessors that don't use them is that the Indilink controller allows data to be erased at anytime, vs only when space is required for a desired operation. This means there's going to be a LOT more writing done and the tech hasn't evolved enough at reasaonable prices (eg affordable SLC drives) to not have to take precautions like turning off write intensive OS operations.

Thats all very well, but doesn't mean shit to me, considering an SSDs life time is 10yrs or so, longer then most HDDs before they begin to wear and fail. So big deal, Faster, More Durable and More reliable storage for double the price.

and bench tests have shown it to be in fact lower on large writes of 50-100 MB.

Yes lower copying from a slower storage place to a faster one, the slower storage can only read so fast. I'm copying large ISO files from Raid 0 (Reading at 200) to an SSD which is writing almost as fast at 170 (Only 10MB above the spec'd write speeds FYI)

Well $385 may sound cheap to you at the Aus prices you're used to seeing, but would you honestly pay that if you could get a drive with the same exact parts for $66 less AND 8GB more capacity? Especially if it was in stock and the OCZ was out of stock? I don't think so, unless you're a senseless OCZ fanboy.

After using this OCZ? Yes. I know you and your clearly referring to the Falcon, well thats more expensive here at $255 for the same capacity class (60GB) and same spec'd writes/reads

are quite a bit faster than their 60/64GB counter parts which each have only 135 MB/s write speed.

SPEC'd at 230 Read and 160 write, actually achieve above that.




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#7 9 years ago

Sgt. D. Pilla;4948256Thats definently you saying that the SSD disables write intensive operations, no where in there did you say user, if you mean't user maybe you should have said that. lrn2explain[/quote]

:banghead: It was perfectly clear to me...

Anyway, let me translate the post.

Omenmicrostutter scenario already, and you still aren't acknowledging that the Indilink controllers that avoid it create other tradeoffs to get reasonable life out of the drives that use them, namely turning off write intensive OS operations.

Indilink controllers avoid the microstutter problem, however, the manner by which they do so creates trade-offs. The biggest trade-off is [the user] having to turn off write intensive operations, in order to get reasonable life out of the drive. [QUOTE=Sgt. D. Pilla;4948256]Thats all very well, but doesn't mean shit to me, considering an SSDs life time is 10yrs or so, longer then most HDDs before they begin to wear and fail. So big deal, Faster, More Durable and More reliable storage for double the price. .

More durable, more reliable? You have a lot of faith in lab tests... :rolleyes:

I'm waiting for real world results.




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#8 9 years ago

LOL, thanks for the translation Monster, never did I imagine anyone would interpret the term tradeoffs as poorly as did Pilla. I was just too bothered to draw him a picture. :lol:

And no Pilla, those aren't the write speed specs on the Vertex 60GB, they're speced at 135 MB/s write speed like I said, and that of course is best case scenario.

What you're implying is that your mere MLC Vertex is almost as fast as OCZ's $700 SLC Vertex, which has a 200MB/s write speed. In fact if you'll notice, the sustained write speed on the MLC 60GB Vertex is only 70 MB/s.

[COLOR=Red]OCZ MLC 60GB Vertex vs OCZ SLC 60GB Vertex[/COLOR]

If you for some reason are suspect that Newegg's info is incorrect, this product info page for the Vertex on OCZ's site verifies it's correct.

OCZ Technology | Products | Flash Media | OCZ Vertex Series SATA II 2.5" SSD

Furthermore, your life expectancy claim is just as erroneous as your speed claims. These drives only have a 2 yr warranty vs 5 yrs on a HDD. I seriously doubt OCZ would back your claim of 10 yrs. In fact if you were to call or email them saying such a thing they'd likely log your personal info to file you as a possible suspect RMA forthcoming. :rolleyes:




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#9 9 years ago

yeah....its pronounced bought




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#10 9 years ago
ikyojo;4948509yeah....its pronounced bought

Yeah, that's been bothering me too...and then I remembered that I can change thread titles. =p

Anyway...Pilla, if you're going to spew falsehoods, at least have the decency to admit when people prove you wrong.