I understand that it was federally mandated, so the the government has to take some responsibility for ensuring that everyone has access to the boxes, but at this point it's just abusing the system. The government should not have to hold everyone's hand through this and spoon-feed them. My own TV (on a college student's budget, mind you) was digital-ready before they even made the announcement in 2007. If I can do it, there's no reason the rest of the country needs coupons.
I know, I didn't say it was a smart choice. I'm just saying the reasoning.
Reall,y they've been warning about this for awhile. If you couldn't get a coupon, just suck it up and buy a box. 40-70 isn't going to set you back too far, and honestly if one ponied up a bit more they could have gotten an up-to-date TV.
I don't think the date itself really was a concern. No matter what date there was set, some people would have not been ready. Really, the issue here was how efficiently they carried this out, with the whole process being muddled by parties trying to advance their own political ideology over something this idiotic. I just hope that all this mess is worth it, because the ultimate goal was to leave analog signals for emergency services.
The most confusion I saw out of this was some people here freaked out over not understanding the difference between Digital TV and Hi-Def. IE, they thought you needed to buy an HD-TV.
I am just thanking god that the bill failed. I work at Radio Shack and am so sick of all the old people asking if, and I qoute, "Do you got dem hd converter boxes we need fo da switch ova in febuary?" and replying (politely) Yes, I have DIGITAL converter boxes right over here, followed by them complaining for a good half hour, then a week later getting that phone call. Dem boxes don't work! Well sir, that's because your not getting the signal in strong enough. Then explaining that for a good twenty minutes. Now take that, imagine it, and multiply it by 20 times a day, for over 6 months.
Like I said, it's not set in stone that the rollover date will stay at Feb 17th. The House will vote on it again from what I've heard, this time with only a minority vote required vs the 2/3 majority vote they went by last time.
Regardless of what your argument is on whether people need or should be granted money for the coupons, or their lack of readiness for the rollover, it doesn't change what's happening politically.
[COLOR=Blue]House Expected to Pass Bill on Digital-TV Delay - WSJ.com[/COLOR]
[COLOR=Blue]House vote keeps digital TV deadline, for now[/COLOR]
The House can't just vote on something and require only a minority vote. That defeats the entire purpose of voting.
According to that article, the government has spent over a billion dollars on $40 coupons for converter boxes that only cost $40-80 to begin with. A degree of accountability is one thing, but this is absolute bullshit, and I am honestly disgusted. Some fucking sense of priority, America.
Zamamee;4787422The House can't just vote on something and require only a minority vote. That defeats the entire purpose of voting.
It's a misnomer that many use actually, and perhaps I should have clarified. The 2/3 majority vote they already had is called a Supermajority vote. What some are referring to I believe when they say "minority" vote is actually a majority vote that does not require 2/3 of the house to pass, but rather 218, which is barely more than 50%, and why there is always an odd number of representatives in the House. Hmmm, and here I thought it was because ALL politicians are odd.
Seriously though, since they already had 258 votes in favor of the delay, it will likely happen if it comes to another House vote, which it looks like it may. The decision whether to use a majority vote rides on whether the issue voted on is deemed controversial. Many have argued this issue is controversial because so many had been assured their applications for coupons had been approved, but there's no way they'll all get them before the rollover date if it's Feb 17.
Look guys, I didn't start this thread to debate whether the date should be pushed back or not and in fact happen to agree it's a bit absurd. My main point is getting accurate info out so those expecting a Feb 17 rollover won't be shocked if it doesn't end up that way. One could easily say what's another 4 months, but the House Republicans opposing this know full well 4 months of continued analog broadcasting can mean costs that some small stations can't afford, esp after having only gotten sponsorship for it up through Feb 17.
It also confuses consumers as they suggested. The do I really need an HDTV and/or converter box is even more of the layman's mindset whom is not TV savvy were this to happen. Then there's those that might think it will keep being delayed since they already delayed it 3 yrs before via a House vote. At a time like this, the last thing the economy needs is something confusing consumers, they're even less likely to spend when confused.
Personally I happen to feel Obama's "for the people" posturing can be taken too far sometimes. He made a point of going out of his way to sympathize with many home owners caught up in the Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae home loan fiasco without ever pointing out that had they not made such financially irresponsible decisions themselves, we wouldn't be caught up in such a housing crisis in the first place. Of course had he done so during his campaign, he may not have gotten their vote. We all know how politics REALLY works now don't we?
Look guys, I didn't start this thread to debate whether the date should be pushed back or not
At least we are keeping the thread bumped :p
Ah. Well, that makes a little more sense, but it still seems kind of redundant to me.
"Last time we voted, it got shot down, so let's just turn on sv_cheats and lower the required votes for a pass, and try again!"
It is such a load of crap that they are trying to delay it. The US is a country where no one is accountable for their actions, guess what, all the people that are complaining could have applied for coupons earlier, and gotten their converter boxes already. No, they all procrastinated. And seriously, it is not as much that people cant afford it as they are lazy, I should know, I sell the damned things.
RadioShackRob;4787761...it is not as much that people cant afford it as they are lazy, I should know, I sell the damned things.
Yeah I know Rob, and it's typical that those reluctant to spend the smallest amount are also reluctant to do the small amount of research it takes to know what they need to do, as you pointed out earlier.
Even Forest Gump knew enough to say, "Stupid is as stupid does." :rolleyes: