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sully25

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#1 14 years ago

Hi would be very grateful if u guys could tell me if its worth upgrading current system or salvage and build a new one here's current specs : XP1800+ 256mb pc2100 20gig HD Gforce 4 mx440 (i know its poo b4 anyone says) onboard sound KM266-8235 mb win xp sp1 cdr dvd compaq mini case think its a 250w psu would like new system for gaming and the usual stuff nothing too heavy, have around 250-400 depending on the other half thanx :beer:




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#2 14 years ago

Upgrading you're graphics card would take a great deal of strain off of the rest of the system, you might want to upgrade that PSU as well, (some newer graphics cards take up a lot of juice.) Some more memory as most things like about 512, although I would recommend 1024 while its cheap, after that maybe upgrade you're cpu, (if the motherboard will take it.)




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#3 14 years ago

Yep that is about the gist of it. I would only question whether RAM is really cheap at the moment. Won't it be cheaper in 6 months time as DDR2 systems become the std. option? Or am I getting that seriously wrong Ged. I don't think your mobo will allow for anything past a 2000+ if it will infact take the thoroughbred core version of the Athlon XP. If you do upgrade the other parts a more modern mobo will allow you to get the maximum out of all your components. Even crappy components shine on a good mobo (i.e. will perform the best possible) but good components on an old obsolete/low perf. mobo is a waste of money because you will always be running at around 15% under potential. Crucially a more modern mobo will give you a tried & tested 8X AGP socket & bus. Also it will no doubt have a dual channel mem controller. I think you would get more performance out of a single stick of PC2700 that will allow you to OC a CPU such as a Barton XP 2600+ (or will it perhaps you will need PC3200 to OC that chip since its FSB goes up to 333). In oder of impact on improvement for gaming: Gfx card - just a Radeon 9500Pro would be enough to give it a hell of a lot more juice. Note the all 9600 card are actually inferior the only one coming up to it in terms of perf is the 9600XT. The 9700 is about the same again. D Ram - would increase the amount of data that can be held at once. Less realiance on the Hard Disk. Aim for 512mb thought some people go for the potential luxury of 1GB, some swear by 768 (512+256); not sure whether they go for 1 Dimm of 512MB & 1 of 256MB or 3 x 256 MB Dimms. A more modern modern HD would give you the feeling of having a speedier more responsive system due to the fact that windows is such a disk intensive OS. If you play large FPS games then the loading times for maps etc. would be greatly reduced by a new HD. The "Hitachi 7K250 Deskstar 160gb ATA100 7200rpm 8mb Cache - OEM" was tested as giving some of the best peformance of the current Hard drives by a storage site. If you are only going to add another 256 Dimm of PC2100 upgrade to one of those hard disks. They have one of the best combinations in term of performance & capacity for the price. If not the best. Regardless of which HD you go for make sure it is the 8MB cache version you buy. If you upgrade the mobo you would do well to upgrade the cpu too. At that point you should get more modern RAM PC2700 or above to take advantage of the new ceiling of performance. Also get a high spec heatsink for the new CPU to get some OC out of it. You might be able to find a cheap case with a 400W CPU included that may do for this type of system. If not you will have to invest in a more expensive one. Check tomshardware etc. for reviews on ones that are actually worth the money they cost.




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#4 14 years ago

Thanx for the reply, I know the current mobo will go upto xp 2800, will go for a radeon an 1gig ram, dunno about replacin mobo, start gettin into that then might as well do complete rebuild, thanks for input much appriecated




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#5 14 years ago

If you can afford it go for the "Hitachi 7K250 Deskstar 160gb ATA100 7200rpm 8mb Cache - OEM" & reinstall Windows onto it fresh. It will help since you are changing Gfx card to install windows with the new Gfx card & all your games again to be custom installed to work with the changes. If it is too much to get the new HD aswell as the 1GB of ram I would get a single Dimm of 512MB of PC2100 (DDR) & the HD. The combination of the HD, together with the new Dimm added to the ram you currently have, will make more of an impact than simply increasing the ram. You can then copy your files across from the 20GB HD just make sure you take them out of the My Documents folders & place them in a new folder created in the Root of C: or another partition. The files in My Docs etc. are encrypted & cannot be accessed when you plug in the drive as a slave into another Win Installation. If you are uncertain as to how to update your gfx drivers for the install I am writing a guide - I could post you a link. After those 3 elements have been upgraded it *will* feel like a completely different machine. Let me know what Radeon card you looking to get.




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#6 14 years ago

If you ask me just buy a whole damn new computer...or build a new one with all new parts




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#7 14 years ago

Do you think an the XP1800+ is that redundant already?

Jason BourneIf you ask me just buy a whole damn new computer...or build a new one with all new parts



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#8 14 years ago

Uh, mini compaq....

You can't upgrade that motherboard. Form factor won't accept ATX.




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#9 14 years ago
Peeping TomUh, mini compaq.... You can't upgrade that motherboard. Form factor won't accept ATX.

Well spotted dude. However I was trying to imply, if he was considering the mobo option that he would invest in a new ATX case (with 400W PSU if possible) anyway. They are not exactly an expensive component any more anyway. Can you pick up a reasonable one for $15 new? What about second hand ? Or donated from a friend who has upgraded his to a more 'stylish' version...




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#10 14 years ago

Yeah, so he should rebuild, just save the cdr, dvd, floppy.....MAYBE ram....




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