I didn't make it!
I have a Galaxy GTX 460 with a removable fan is your removable too?
Chocu1a;5447393I play at 1920*1200. I also always use vsync(60fps locked). This out-dated & obsolete(wtf?) is the second fastest nvidia card. If you look at STOCK benchmarks, the 570 & the 480 are neck & neck on almost every test. With more memory and 384bit memory interface. Clock for clock the 480 is the faster card.
Again, you're only talking FPS, there's a LOT more to the design of a GPU than the FPS it produces. If stock it performs at high temps & power consumption or loud fan noise, and one resorts to shopping for a massive cooler as a "solution", yeah, that's obsolete compared to the vapor chamber and better architecture and DX11 handling of the 500s.
It's not like I'm the only one having mentioned that it spells EOL for the 400s. Just Google it, there are plenty of reputable sites whom have verified such plans for Nvidia. For some reason you're just being overly thin skinned when I say it.
And yes, you would HAVE to be playing at at least 1920 to make buying a high end card necessary. That was my whole point about the 250. It fits my needs for now just fine. I'm playing on a 22" CRT, usually at 1280x960 or 1280x720, and it can not only handle that fine, the games end up looking a lot better on this CRT than most "gaming" displays that are merely 6 bit TNs.
Anyways, to each their own. I'm sure you actually are enjoying it as you say, people have been satisfied with much stranger things, but I also think you're being a bit unrealistic if you think everyone's going to buy that it's not an EOL product. In fact I don't doubt a bit that Nvidia were planning to perfect Fermi with a better cooler before they even made the 400s.
All indications of the 400 series is that Nvidia used it as a test generation, and in doing so saved the better design for later gens so they could maximize profits on the 400s and recoup much of the R&D cost of the original Fermi design by cutting corners with the design of them.
It's called planned obsolescence, and has been common practice for most major chip designers since computers became available to the mainstream public, especially when a radically new design comes along. That's why anytime so called breakthrough architecture is released, many are skeptical and wait until at least the 2nd gen of it. And you can bet after the release of the 500s, those whom passed on the 400s were and still are glad they did.
It's always the high end cards that get improved upon which become forgotten, not the budget workhorse cards that far exceed them on FPS per dollar. So yeah, spit your drink all you want, but at the end of the day, it's not about "e-penis" bragging, it's about practicality. It's kind of an oxymoron to buy a high end card and brag about it as if it's state of the art, when in fact it needs a big monkey on it's back just to keep it's cool, which ironically it's doing better than you are btw.
If you were really that happy with it, you wouldn't be over reacting to my input. As mentioned the architecture on the 400s isn't as efficient either. You're acting like the 400s are the XP of GPUs, when in fact that is a much better description of the 250. Few GPUs have been used as long as those based on the 8800. So yeah, it can produce fairly good FPS, but please, be realistic about the tradeoffs or just accept the input instead of going crazy hearing it.
Life's too short to be pissing in the wind (or should I say spitting), over the mere mention of what are basically commonly known facts regarding EOL products. Just be glad it's an NVIDIA EOL product and not an ATI/AMD one, which are sometimes subject to dropped driver support, as with my old X1950.
I was just saying it was laughable for a guy that uses a gts250 to call my gtx480 outdated & obsolete. - Short version. Also, there was really no reason or point to come into this thread & talk trash about my upgrade. It was not the point of starting or continuing my thread. How would you like it if I did that in your new rig thread? Tell you your purchases are obsolete? I am very happy with my pc & every component in it. If I wasn't..I would replace it with something else tomorrow...not wait 3-4 years, mulling it over & wondering if the next round of tech is the one I should get, like other people in this forum:D
Demtri;5447519I have a Galaxy GTX 460 with a removable fan is your removable too?
If I use a screw driver!:rofl: I sold the Galaxy to offset my Gigabyte 480 purchase. I ended up spending less than 100 bucks out of pocket.
Chocu1a;5447559I was just saying it was laughable for a guy that uses a gts250 to call my gtx480 outdated & obsolete. - Short version.
More like short sighted, the 250 is still going strong and used by far more gamers than the 480, whereas the 480 as mentioned was given EOL status 1 gen after it's release. There's no refuting that, it's just common knowledge, not taunting as you're making it sound.
And no, I don't expect everyone to agree with my choices, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over or laugh about anyone's difference of opinion in ANY thread I make regarding my purchase decisions. I consider it valid constructive criticism, not trash talk. Trash talk is commonly denoted by flippant words chosen such as laughable, spitting one's drink, etc.
Anyways, you made your purchase, are entitled to brag about it, and perhaps, for now at least, you're convinced you're happy with it, but that in and of itself does not mean a thread you make about it is your personal bubble to be burst by so much as someone's mere mention of commonly known tradeoffs of the product. If you expected no conflicting opinions, maybe you should have made a blog about it and invited Thermi fanboys only. :rolleyes:
This harkens back to numerous claims of some whom bought 400 series cards stating they were not in fact a problem thermally, yet now that the 500s have debuted with superior coolers and architecture they're singing a different tune with talk of adding on a monster cooler. However I can understand that a lot more than those whom buy the 400s after the 500s debuted and act as if they're not overshadowed by them.
Short-sighted? No. I enjoy my hobby as a pc enthusiast. I upgrade as I feel as long as it is within my budget. Cpu, gpu, memory, hdd, mobo, whatever I feel I can afford that will make my rig better. Not because I need to, but because I want to. Much like kowciller, here. (but not as hardcore..L2N..oh my!) My gpu upgrades in 2010 alone- gtx275>5770 xfire>gtx470>gtx480. Not meant as a brag, just a fact. No fanboism. I think it is in good fun to show off your new tech to other tech/pc enthusiasts.
So far my GTS 250 works frigging awesome, I have to reinstall STALKER, I never made it past 50 footsteps then die. Is that game going to cool to play, or will it be army this army that.
What I like about this card is the low power usage, and I don't see any reason for anything (fps) to go faster, yet.
Two things, mainly the price I paid, and not having to worry about a new power supply. or I would have got the 460.
hope it all works man, nice vid card just don't overclock stuff until you are ready to get new stuff.
Red_Fist;5447762hope it all works man, nice vid card just don't overclock stuff until you are ready to get new stuff.
Why would you not overclock the cool-running card with the vapor change stock cooler that's been replaced by the ass-kickingly-great Zalman cooler?
Red_Fist;5447762So far my GTS 250 works frigging awesome, I have to reinstall STALKER, I never made it past 50 footsteps then die. Is that game going to cool to play, or will it be army this army that.
You know...I never had much luck with STALKER. I always just thought it was a poorly optimized game. I remember my old 8800gt, then 8800gt in sli both having trouble running that game. Then I tried COP with a gtx 275 & it ran like crap with that. Even the gtx470 had issues with Clear Skies. I just assumed it was the game engine. I haven't tried it with the 480. I think I still have Clear Skies installed. I am not really a fan of these rpg/fps types. I hated Fallout 3, too. Metro is the perfect balance of these games, imo. I will bench it, too. It crippled my 470 maxed out.
*Daedalus;5447770Why would you not overclock the cool-running card with the vapor change stock cooler that's been replaced by the ass-kickingly-great Zalman cooler?
Oh I am just conservative when it comes to make things run harder than they should.It gives me the feeling like when someone uses a screwdriver for pounding holes in something rather than for err ahh, screwing, oops well you know haha. I guess that comes from fixing things so long, but I have ended up overclocking way back to the board (jumpers) days. @Chocu1a Well I meant is the game fun, I didn't know it was hard to run it, now I need to see it I will post on how it runs if I can figure WTH how to play it. I only tried a tiny bit in the very first map, and my controls where all weird and still don't know what I am doing.