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#1 9 years ago

Hey, we are looking into a new monitor, in the 22-24" range, that is in the $200 or less price range. Reliability would most-likely come first, because we only have money to buy something like this every 5-10 years. Next important thing is image quality. The monitor will serve primarily for office work and the family TV monitor, as well as very occasional gaming. Any suggestions? I'm not biased towards any particular brand, though a 3+year warranty really catches my attention.

I was also wondering how important response time and contrast ratio is. most have a response time of 5 ms and a contrast ratio of 20000:1, and that's fine with me as long as dark areas are well-defined, and the monitor doesn't 'ghost,' or 'bleed.' There are also monitors that are a bit more expensive, but have a 2 ms response time, and a 50000:1 contrast ratio. How much of a difference would this make?

I'm looking at a few monitors from Samsung and Acer, because they seem the most well-liked, and I'm just biased towards them, mostly because of their 3 year warranties. Here's what I'm looking at:

By Samsung:

Samsung 2343BWX 23" LCD Monitor - 5ms, 2048 x 1152, 20000:1 Dynamic, VGA, DVI, Black at TigerDirect.com

Possibly out of price range, but 'better' specs: Samsung P2370 23" Widescreen LCD Monitor - 1080p, 1920x1080, 50000:1 Dynamic, 1000:1 Native, 2ms, DVI at TigerDirect.com

By Acer:

Acer X233Hbid 23" Widescreen HD LCD Monitor - 1920 x 1080, 40000:1 Dynamic, 5ms, HDMI, DVI, VGA, Tilt Mount, Black at TigerDirect.com

Acer X233H bd 23" Widescreen LCD Monitor - 5ms, 1920x1080, 40000:1, 16:9, DVI, Black at TigerDirect.com By LG (Never heard of them):

LG W2353V-PF 23" 1920x1080 2ms DVI LCD Monitor at TigerDirect.com

I don't prefer any particular store/website, though Tigerdirect seems to have the best prices ATM.

Thanks!




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#2 9 years ago

Of those 3 I would say the Samy is the best. Response times can be misleading because in reality, an LCD at the typical 60Hz takes 8ms to refresh.

There is a Dell at 22" in e-IPS (2209WA) that is very nice, though 1680x1050. It has been touted by many as being the best 22" now and sold at TN prices (average prices, not low end). For some reason Dell doesn't show it for sale on their site right now though, maybe due to the supplier running out of panels for it. It has been sold for as low as $210.

There are more e-IPS coming in 23" 1920x1080 by NEC and many others. The NEC will be well out of your price range ($379 MSRP, maybe $350 or less street), but my guess is someone will have one by the end of the yr or early next yr in the $250-$300 range.




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The Soleutator;4981858 By LG (Never heard of them):

LG W2353V-PF 23" 1920x1080 2ms DVI LCD Monitor at TigerDirect.com

Never heard of LG? They make a ton of cell phones. They make the enV series of phones which are extremely popular by me.

I'm using a 19" widescreen LG monitor and I love it. Good, clear picture and it works very well for gaming.




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#4 9 years ago

>Omen<;4981907Of those 3 I would say the Samy is the best. Response times can be misleading because in reality, an LCD at the typical 60Hz takes 8ms to refresh.

There is a Dell at 22" in e-IPS (2209WA) that is very nice, though 1680x1050. It has been touted by many as being the best 22" now and sold at TN prices (average prices, not low end). For some reason Dell doesn't show it for sale on their site right now though, maybe due to the supplier running out of panels for it. It has been sold for as low as $210.

There are more e-IPS coming in 23" 1920x1080 by NEC and many others. The NEC will be well out of your price range ($379 MSRP, maybe $350 or less street), but my guess is someone will have one by the end of the yr or early next yr in the $250-$300 range.

I just watched this review: YouTube - Dell 2209WA Review HD

If I can find it for a decent price somewhere, I may end up getting it. What exactly does TN stand for? I'm not that great at abbreviations.

Edit: It looks like the monitor will be difficult to find in the $200 price range, as everyone wants one, but they aren't being built anymore.

http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/19283170.aspx?PageIndex=1




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#5 9 years ago

TN stands for Twisted Nematic, and it means the liquid crystals lengthwise are arranged in parallel lines rather than layers. Panel grades are separated into basically 3 categories, TN, VA (Vertical Alignment), and IPS (In Plane Switching).

I can't find the site right now, but there's a fairly good visual example of the difference between TN and IPS showing the crystals in IPS in plane with the screen pivoting from one end of the crystal between horizontal and vertical, sort of like hands on a clock. IPS also have two transistors per pixel and they're the only panels that do.

TN panels conversely have crystals arranged so that they are not in plane with the screen. I would describe the visual representation I mentioned above showing them as schools of fish set at an angle facing the screen.

The result is non TN panels are not susceptible to wide angle viewing washout and their colors being 8 bit vs 6 bit are more realistic and vibrant. TN panels have to synthesize many of the colors they produce by "dithering", also known as pixel blending. It's basically trying to "create" colors it can't produce by mixing those it can.

So what are the most noticeable differences to the end user? It depends largely on intended use and even how you physically view one. TNs can be hard to setup without any washout even with slight eye movement, such as moving your eyes up and down or left and right while seated closely to a screen of moderate size. They are particularly sensitive to washout when viewed slightly above center, so screen/stand adjustibility is crucial.

TNs are not very good for movie watching either. In darkly lit scenes they can exhibit noticeable color smearing, often times showing as reddish-orange blotches on Caucasian faces. Even VA panels with their wider viewing angles can have color shifting problems at wider angles, often times showing as faces turning yellow or even web pages shifting slightly in hue when looking left to right while seated closely to the screen.

So, if you sit close to your display, are considering doing any split screen gaming with two players, real life movie watching, or photo or video editing work that requires accurate colors, a TN is not going to be very good. Many consider TN to be fine for gaming though, but the claim that they're better due to faster response is no longer true really. There are plenty of non TN monitors with response times fast enough to make it very hard to tell the difference. In fact even with super fast camera shutter shots taken comparing such displays, the ones claiming faster response often don't end up being any faster in end result.




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#6 9 years ago

The most obvious things are that TN panels have the shortest response times (although high performance IPS panels have low response times as well) and are the cheapest, which makes them popular among many gamers, but you trade off some color accuracy and viewing angles. VA and IPS panels generally offer better color accuracy and viewing angles, but have slightly greater lag. However, newer better panels are always being produced, and thus the disadvantage is less than it used to be. These displays tend to cost more than those using TN panels.




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#7 9 years ago
Zamamee;4982795VA and IPS panels generally offer better color accuracy and viewing angles, but have slightly greater lag.

Not really, there are IPS monitors that have less than one frame of lag.




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#8 9 years ago

I am a Samsung and Dell fan when it comes to monitors, but my last few Acer (22") purchases have been very satisfying as well. I am partial to my Asus 24" right now, like this one better than the two recent Acers I've purchased. I'm about ready to buy a second one to run dual 24" monitors if that tells you whether I really like it or not.

Here's what I'm using and loving now, another option to consider: 24-236-052-15.jpgASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 20000:1) Built in Speakers (currently $199 & Free Shipping in US)

As far as LG products go (cellphones, TVs, washer/dryers), they look pretty, but there's a reason for the Like Garbage moniker. I'd stick them slightly above Sceptre when it comes to lcd monitor quality.




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#9 9 years ago

I'm pretty sure my dad is set on ordering tonight, and I think I'm gonna get one of these, more likely than not the Samsung or the Acer:

Newegg.com - SAMSUNG 2343BWX High Glossy Black 23" 5ms 16:9 Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 20000:1 (DC) w/ HDCP Support - LCD Monitors

Newegg.com - Acer X223Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 2500:1 - LCD Monitors

Newegg.com - ASUS VK246H Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 1000:1 (ASCR 20000:1 ) Built-in Speakers w/ 1.3m Pixel Webcam - LCD Monitors

Newegg.com - ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 20000:1) Built in Speakers - LCD Monitors

I won't be able to do any more comparing/research, but if anyone has any last-minute comments, post within a few hours.

Thanks for all the help up until now, too bad we can't wait a few months for a better e-IPS display...




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#10 9 years ago

Personally I wouldn't go with the Samsung just because of the odd resolution it uses. Out of those four I'd go for one of the ASUS screens but check some reviews first because I've never used an ASUS screen tbh.