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Bs|Archaon

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I've just aquired a number of old computers, including a pair of Blueberry PowerMac G3s. Now, despite being old (discontinued in 1999) they're Macs so with a couple of upgrade they're perfectly servicable for most uses today. We want to use them for office work. But we're planning to get a 19" widescreen for each one, and I'm a little worried about how the ATi Rage 128 graphics cards will cope with the high, widescreen resolutions (1440x900 or something like that, can't be bothered to check).

So basically I want to upgrade their graphics cards. As far as I can see nVidia just completely gave up with Mac cards around the GeForce 2, so it seems I'm going ATi. So being a typical PC user looking for a ATi budget card I think 9200 Mac Edition. Erm...and then I find them costing around £85-£140. How about no. So I go a bit lower, and find some 64mb Radeon 7000 cards for £20. Much better, I know it's old but it's passively cooled, has more memory and it's newer so I'm more confident of how it will display high resolutions.

But it's not a Mac edition. Does that make any difference to the actual card? If I download and install the Mac drivers (because presumably it'll ship with Windows drivers), will it work? I'm thinking the other difference between a normal Radeon and a Mac Edition is that it will have a different driver and manual?

Anyone know? Being a Blueberry G3 it only has a PCI slot (well, 4, but whatever), so even within the already limited scope of Mac cards I have even less choice.




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Bs|ArchaonI've just aquired a number of old computers, including a pair of Blueberry PowerMac G3s. Now, despite being old (discontinued in 1999) they're Macs so with a couple of upgrade they're perfectly servicable for most uses today. We want to use them for office work. But we're planning to get a 19" widescreen for each one, and I'm a little worried about how the ATi Rage 128 graphics cards will cope with the high, widescreen resolutions (1440x900 or something like that, can't be bothered to check).

So basically I want to upgrade their graphics cards. As far as I can see nVidia just completely gave up with Mac cards around the GeForce 2, so it seems I'm going ATi. So being a typical PC user looking for a ATi budget card I think 9200 Mac Edition. Erm...and then I find them costing around £85-£140. How about no. So I go a bit lower, and find some 64mb Radeon 7000 cards for £20. Much better, I know it's old but it's passively cooled, has more memory and it's newer so I'm more confident of how it will display high resolutions.

But it's not a Mac edition. Does that make any difference to the actual card? If I download and install the Mac drivers (because presumably it'll ship with Windows drivers), will it work? I'm thinking the other difference between a normal Radeon and a Mac Edition is that it will have a different driver and manual?

Anyone know? Being a Blueberry G3 it only has a PCI slot (well, 4, but whatever), so even within the already limited scope of Mac cards I have even less choice.

You have the use the Mac Edtion and make sure they can run on the old G3's. You can't use a regular Video Card for a PC on a old PPC based Mac. Also Nvidia never gave up on the Mac... You can buy a 7800 for it.. 6600.. 6800.. 5200.. Geforce 4.... But the newer ones wont run at all on the old Macs though. Most of the time you have to go to Apple to get a Nvidia card but like you posted above, you can find ATIs Mac Edtions on Newegg and such.




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#3 12 years ago

Indeed, Nvidia does make Mac video cards (all of the new G5's ship with 6600's), but you ought to by through apple.com or the Apple Store.




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#4 12 years ago

Going through Apple the cheapest I can get is a 9200 for £99.95. So, uhm, no.




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#5 12 years ago
Bs|ArchaonI've just aquired a number of old computers, including a pair of Blueberry PowerMac G3s. Now, despite being old (discontinued in 1999) they're Macs so with a couple of upgrade they're perfectly servicable for most uses today. We want to use them for office work. But we're planning to get a 19" widescreen for each one, and I'm a little worried about how the ATi Rage 128 graphics cards will cope with the high, widescreen resolutions (1440x900 or something like that, can't be bothered to check).[/QUOTE] What kind of office work are you planning on doing? They may struggle with things like CAD/CAM, but otherwise they should be fine. FYI, I'm currently in possession of an old PowerBook G4 using an ATI Rage 8mb GPU (:eek:) which can handle 1152x768 (widescreen) with no problems whatsoever, and still have enough oomph leftover for basic 3D acceleration and movie playback.
Bs|Archaon So basically I want to upgrade their graphics cards. As far as I can see nVidia just completely gave up with Mac cards around the GeForce 2, so it seems I'm going ATi. So being a typical PC user looking for a ATi budget card I think 9200 Mac Edition. Erm...and then I find them costing around £85-£140. How about no. So I go a bit lower, and find some 64mb Radeon 7000 cards for £20. Much better, I know it's old but it's passively cooled, has more memory and it's newer so I'm more confident of how it will display high resolutions.
From my experience, that would be more than enough to drive a high-res display, however; [QUOTE=Bs|Archaon]But it's not a Mac edition. Does that make any difference to the actual card?

Yes, unfortunately, it does. Standard Radeons lack the Macintosh ROM codes that are required for operation with Mac hardware. (You can thank Apple's rather "unique" answer to the PC's BIOS for this.)




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#6 12 years ago
Bs|ArchaonGoing through Apple the cheapest I can get is a 9200 for £99.95. So, uhm, no.

Try looking on ebay. You can find many old mac video cards there for a cheap price. Also have to remember Mac products are high price.




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#7 12 years ago

I know the Rage might do it. Actually, I looked it up and one of them could do something like 1920x1200 in widescreen, but I don't actually know which one it is and the other ones have...less desirable resolutions. At this stage I'll probably keep them and if we have trouble, upgrade afterwards.

I was just wondering because for £20 each, it seemed worth it. But I ain't spending £200 on graphics or risking the money on eBay until I know it does need a new upgrade.

laid, yes there are...in the US. There are a few in the UK but we're going on holiday on Saturday so I can't order any. I just have to hope some more (or the same ones, I suppose) are available in a week and a bit.

In case you were wondering, Q12 of this is the foundation of my concerns: http://www.ati.com/products/faqs/macrage128faq.html I don't know what actual model they are, one of them says Rage 128GL on it, but that's the graphics architecture, not the specific card model.