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Shintsu

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#1 12 years ago

Ok, it looks like I may be finding a way to get enough money to do this massive upgrade for my computer I've been wanting to do. The problem is, I've not done too much research, as I figured I'd never get enough money for this. I'm not the most knowledgeble on Motherboards and all, as I don't often buy them. Firstly though, I'll list my computer's parts (the ones I might upgrade or may relate to upgrading) as it is presently: Processor: Intel Pentium 3.0E GHz, 800 MHz FSB Motherboard: [COLOR=black]Intel D865GBF [/COLOR] Graphics Card: MSI Nvidia 6600 GT w/ 128 mb ram (AGP) Memory: 2x 512 mb PC 2700 (1 gb) Power Supply: 350 Watts Now I had some questions about DDR2. Is it really that much better than regular DDR? Also, it appears to only be available on Intel boards. Is it only an Intel thing? If it is better, is there anything bad about it? Onto the Processor. I'm still a Die-Hard Intel fan, don't get me wrong, but I'm having no luck finding many Intel Processors that are that cheap or anything. Sadly, I'm considering AMD now. I would like to know, what is an AMD processor that is better than my 3.0. I want to run BF2 at high res, and I want something that will do that, but not the FXes, those are way too much. I also don't want to go too much over $250 unless I'll get some extreme performance gains. Should I just get a 64, or a 64 X2? I plan to do hardcore gaming with all this stuff, just so you know. Now the Graphics Card. I plan on upgrading to at least something like a 6800, PCI Express. I'd prefer to remain in the Nvidia family, but I could also go to ATI. Something I considered was running SLI. If I did this I couldn't afford to do the 7800 thing, but I'd try for two 6800 GTs or so. Is it better to get the SLI, or to go to the 7800 GT/X? If I go with the 7800 series, who makes the best one for the best price? What are some differences with the brand new ATI cards and the new Nvidias? I'd like to get 30-40 FPS playing BF2 at high settings, not necessarily max though. The power supply I'm sure is inadequate, so I'll probably just upgrade to a 500 watt or so, but any suggestions on brands that are good and will power all this for under $100 would be nice. Lastly, the motherboard. I want to know what the right motherboard to go with all this would be. I've seen lots of different ones, but a lot have some bad reviews. I don't want to spend no $150 or anything on one, unless thats what it takes to get a reliable one. I also notice lots of these that offer the PCI Express have only 2 or 3 PCI slots, and I'd like to have a few more, as with two I'd be using both. I need at least 4 GB max capacity memory. I believe this is all I really needed help with at the moment. I'm aware it's a lot to ask so if you can help with even just one part I'd appreciate it alot. Hope I can get the money for this uber system, thanks for all advice and suggestions.




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#2 12 years ago
Now I had some questions about DDR2. Is it really that much better than regular DDR? Also, it appears to only be available on Intel boards. Is it only an Intel thing? If it is better, is there anything bad about it?

DDR2 is actually a less effiecent architecture than DDR, but has higher clock speeds which make up for it. Right now, DDR2 is pretty much a Intel thing, AMD will support DDR2 with socket M2 i think.

what is an AMD processor that is better than my 3.0

Anything above a Athlon 64 3000+ would be faster then your 3.0.

I recommend the Athlon 64 3700+ "San Diego", same specs as a 4000+, just clocked 200Mhz slower.




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#3 12 years ago

Ok, for a start your RAM isn't the right speed for that processor. You should be using DDR400 (PC3200).

DDR2 is different, basically what will make your decision for you is whether you replace the CPU, as the majority of boards take one or the other. If you go AMD, you'll be using DDR. On your current system it's DDR. On a lot (but not all) current/new Intel boards it will be DDR2. When DDR2 was first introduced, Intel did make a chipset that supported both, but I don't know whether they still make them. They were usually lowest boards in the range available, the idea being that at that stage, if you wanted a new high performance Intel system you would be willing to go all the way, rather than use cheaper (but perfectly good) DDR memory. Whereas offering DDR compatability on the low end of that motherboard range was a good way of encouraging people to buy the range of CPUs and motherboards that Intel released at the time.

CPU, I don't see the point in replacing it to be honest, 3GHz isn't exactly slow. On the other hand, to get PCI-E and whatnot you'll have to get a new motherboard and that means a new CPU. Intels are not meant to be cheap, but remember that the faster AMDs are also expensive.

Graphics, I'd go for the 7800GTX because you can then add one later. In BF2, a single 6800GT can get max quality settings with a bit of AA and AF and be more than playable. A 6600GT like you have should shouldn't be far off that either.

PSU, uh...yeah. I love my Tagan personally. 480W powering far more stuff than you'll ever know.

RAM, just a final bit in addition to the stuff above, to the best of my knowledge Windows XP doesn't support more than 4gb. Vista, I don't know about. But there's no point having 4gb, at least not yet. I have 2gb and I never use all of it. I usually have 1.7gb free when Windows boots.




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#4 12 years ago

My old system had a p4 3.0, a 6800nu, 1 gig ddr400(3200) & I ran bf2 maxed except textures & dynamic shadows on medium.; I got 50-70 fps. If you are worrieid about money, just upgrade memory to 2 gig ddr400, & get a 7800gs. Keep everything else. Oh, & get a 450-500wt psu. Antec make inexpensive solutions.




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#5 12 years ago
Count_Chocu1aMy old system had a p4 3.0, a 6800nu, 1 gig ddr400(3200) & I ran bf2 maxed except textures & dynamic shadows on medium.; I got 50-70 fps. If you are worrieid about money, just upgrade memory to 2 gig ddr400, & get a 7800gs. Keep everything else. Oh, & get a 450-500wt psu. Antec make inexpensive solutions.

Yeah that. Save a fortune and get another year or two out your current pc.




Shintsu

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#6 12 years ago

Well, I'm telling you, with this 6600 I can't get above low settings on BF2 without it lagging a lot. I get around 15-20 FPS at low. When turned up to medium, it's about 5-6, and it can dip if I turn around quickly or anything. I dunno why it performs so badly, and I've tried many things to remedy this problem, to no avail. Still, I have no real reason to get rid of my processor, as I love it, but If I'm getting a new Motherboard (For the PCI Express) then I can't afford another Intel. I was curious though, as I've found a 7900 GT thats $309 and clocks about the same as the 7800 GTXes. Is it any good? Lastly, should I upgrade my memory to PC3200? I've been told before that it makes so little difference, hence why I never bothered. It's quite an extra expense if it doesn't do anything for me...Thanks for the current advice so far!

P.S. What is the real difference between a 3200+ AMD with Socket 754 vs 939?




Shintsu

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#7 12 years ago

Also, I did a 3Dmark05 test just now and got a 3130 and it seemed to run the test very slowly. If I could upgrade my graphics card and get 6100, how much of an improvement would that be? Mine was running at 4-6 FPS in the test and then at 1-2 FPS at the latter part of it. What FPS are we talking with that kind of 3Dmark score?




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#8 12 years ago

I get around 7-8 Thousand... Around 30-40 Frames a Second on my 7800GTX.




Bs|Archaon

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#9 12 years ago
ShintsuWell, I'm telling you, with this 6600 I can't get above low settings on BF2 without it lagging a lot. I get around 15-20 FPS at low. When turned up to medium, it's about 5-6, and it can dip if I turn around quickly or anything. I dunno why it performs so badly, and I've tried many things to remedy this problem, to no avail. Still, I have no real reason to get rid of my processor, as I love it, but If I'm getting a new Motherboard (For the PCI Express) then I can't afford another Intel. I was curious though, as I've found a 7900 GT thats $309 and clocks about the same as the 7800 GTXes. Is it any good? Lastly, should I upgrade my memory to PC3200? I've been told before that it makes so little difference, hence why I never bothered. It's quite an extra expense if it doesn't do anything for me...Thanks for the current advice so far! P.S. What is the real difference between a 3200+ AMD with Socket 754 vs 939?

That CPU is MEANT to run with DDR400. Period. Get some. It will set you back all of about $70 US for 2x512mb sticks, eg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145440 Make sure that you just use the DDR400. If you keep the DDR333 it will all run at that speed, which defies the point.

Then for graphics maybe http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814143046 It's as good as you'll get on AGP, but don't worry about how skeptical that sounds because they're excellent cards. Better than anything from the GeForce 6/Radeon X800/850 series by a fair margin.

PSU, I have http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817101509 and I can't sing it's praises highly enough.




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#10 12 years ago

What about this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814129048 ? That seems to clock higher and have the same amount of pipelines and be a bit cheaper. Plus, (not that this is important) it doesn't sound like you're getting a crappy edition of a card. Everyone's heard of 7800 GTs and GTXes so if you have a GS it's like "Aw, you got the sucky 7800." Btw, is it just me or does Newegg not carry ANY 6800 AGPs anymore? P.S. Is it possible to measure what DDR/PC my memory is? I think one of my sticks might be DDR400/PC3200, but I'm not sure.




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