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Red_Fist

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#11 8 years ago

I am running ,right now, no pagefile, the same ammount of RAM used at boot,(834 meg) Windows antivirus with realtime on. Ok, next post will be WITH pagefile turned back on. You guys are crazy, never had a prob, now not even win7 64, "MBR":rofl: Idleing right now I am up to 979meg, but I have done what I said on the first post forever. works great. Granted if you are short on RAM, or run a bunch of crap at boot and short on RAM, yes it might not boot without a swap file. Besides why would anyone go through such an elaboratething as to make a seperate inate file as an MBR, then give you a checkboxin windows to turn off the pagefile. go back, read my first post, and see how smooth things work after you do it.. !




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#12 8 years ago

Idleing right now I am up to 979meg, but I have done what I said on the first post forever. works great.

Granted if you are short on RAM, or run a bunch of crap at boot and short on RAM, yes it might not boot without a swap file.

Besides why would anyone go through such an elaboratething as to make a seperate inate file as an MBR, then give you a checkboxin windows to turn off the pagefile.

go back, read my first post, and see how smooth things work after you do it.. !

Then I suggest you read how Windows 7 and Vista handle process memory. Gone are the old days in XP where it can use what it needed, now its use what your given.

Besides why would anyone go through such an elaboratething as to make a seperate inate file as an MBR, then give you a checkboxin windows to turn off the pagefile.

Same reason they'd give you an "Edit" button to edit such file.

"Hey and edit button" *click* "Do you want to save?" *yes* "Reboot for change to take effect" *Windows cannot boot* "Hmm, I guess that extra space did make a difference."

Also same reason they'd give you the format C: CLI.

Also, read my post clearly, I said "MAY" not "WILL"/"DOES". MAY as it IT COULD as in depending on a wide variety of variables.




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#13 8 years ago
Red_Fist;5312965I am running ,right now, no pagefile, the same ammount of RAM used at boot,(834 meg) Windows antivirus with realtime on. Ok, next post will be WITH pagefile turned back on. You guys are crazy, never had a prob, now not even win7 64, "MBR":rofl: Idleing right now I am up to 979meg, but I have done what I said on the first post forever. works great. Granted if you are short on RAM, or run a bunch of crap at boot and short on RAM, yes it might not boot without a swap file. Besides why would anyone go through such an elaboratething as to make a seperate inate file as an MBR, then give you a checkboxin windows to turn off the pagefile. go back, read my first post, and see how smooth things work after you do it.. !

I can guarantee you some games will freak if you try to run them like that. Go try and play Dragon Age with no page file and see what happens. If it doesn't constantly crash, you will get black textures appearing randomly. Its not the only game, just the newest example i've encountered.

Then I suggest you read how Windows 7 and Vista handle process memory. Gone are the old days in XP where it can use what it needed, now its use what your given.

The way i understand it is that is not all actually being used, but Vista and 7 keeps in cached. Correct?

I still need to actually buy Win 7. I've been using Vista ever since the 7 RC expired, and kind of miss it.




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#14 8 years ago

Turned off system last night, booted today, ran windows upgrade virus thing, defragged again, then slapped on the page file, rebooted again.

I think they put a pagefile of 16meg if you pick none.

but all I am saying in the first post is to turn it off JUST to defrag, then make a swapfile permenent size afterwards.

I would alawys run a swapfile, but to add it in AFTER a defrag.Then the file is one long smooth chunk on the drive and not all mixxed up in tiny chunks interleaving the regular files spread all over the drive..




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#15 8 years ago

Again, defrag doesn't effect pagefile. It's a huge contigious file and there for does not get defragged. Any defragmenter that encounters a 2gb+ file size will not process it.

There is a reason why a 60GB partition, full of a 50GB file, takes about 1 minute to defrag...because 50GB of it is skipped!

The way i understand it is that is not all actually being used, but Vista and 7 keeps in cached. Correct?

Vista yes, Windows 7 yes to an extent, but not so much. Vista if you had 2GB ram, it would show it as all being 'used', it wasn't it was as you said caching and allocated memory ceilings for every process, but those ceilings obviously weren't full.

Now when a game ran in Vista, that ceiling increased...but wait, my ram is full right?? No its not, Vista lowered the ceilings on other processes to give a larger ceiling to the game process, thus making the demanding process less likely to use the swap file, and slow it down.

Windows 7 improves this by assigning what I call a "virtual" ceiling, it's still the same as in Vista, but it doesn't show back into ram usage programs such as Task Manager. Windows 7 will also use pagefile for lots of non-demanding system services. Why use fast ram, when the process accesses it's ram allocation once every...hour?? That said, those processes do still have a ram allocation, but its within about 50kb.

Vista and Windows 7 are smart about Ram usage, but as a result are not so smart about a non-existant pagefile situation.

Also, Company of Heroes doesn't even load without pagefile; no matter how much ram you have.

I think they put a pagefile of 16meg if you pick none.

Try again, if it's "system managed" it will be 5% bigger then your ram amount. So my pagefile is 8.4GB (or, 8601.6MB). Or you can set a custom size, only problem with that, is every novice user I know that has set their own page file, has set hardly anything, maybe 1GB if lucky, which then results in processes (in XP) crashing and the system locking up because it ran out of RAM and pagefile.

If only common sense was mandatory by law.




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#16 8 years ago
Sgt. D. Pilla;5313453Again, defrag doesn't effect pagefile. It's a huge contigious file and there for does not get defragged. Any defragmenter that encounters a 2gb+ file size will not process it.

The swap file is not contiguous. It starts out that way but will fragment over time, and because Windows has an exclusive lock on it (along with several other files, including the ever-important MFT) it will never defrag when doing so from within Windows. (Which isn't entirely true, and at least one other person in this thread seems to know the workaround.) But it's easier to just dump it on a separate partition.

A 50GB file on a 60GB drive won't defrag due to the fact that there needs to be at least 50GB free to defrag a 50GB file.




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#17 8 years ago
A 50GB file on a 60GB drive won't defrag due to the fact that there needs to be at least 50GB free to defrag a 50GB file.

Ok, put it on a 250GB partition then, it still won't defrag, some try, I know Auslogics and Windows try to defrag it, I think O&O does as well, but it usually gets a few GB into the file and moves on.




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#18 8 years ago

No it won't defrag, but it squishes up against the start of the empty free space, therefore putting it closest to the beggining of the hard drive. And if you make it permanent size min and max windows don't do anything it stays as one file in the same place, in one chunk.

and if one would take notice knowing it can't be defragged was the reason I say to delete it first.That will take all those newely empty spaces diced up from the page file and line up all the other files, then add the pagefile back in.It should line up right after the last byte of data when it's remade.




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