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Flakpanzer

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#11 12 years ago

Yeah yeah.. I don't use speakers right now, so I use my headset. Yes, using an equalizer DOES make a difference. You may not notice it, but I definitely do. Stop trying to argue every reason to NOT help me, and actually do something. So far, C38 is the ONLY person who has been constructive here. Does nobody notice that I said I cannot afford anything better because I lack income? If you aren't going to actually be constructive and productive, don't sit here and talk down to me like I don't know what I'm talking about. Its quite obvious why I don't have anything better, and won't for some time. Regardless, I'd like to get the most out of what I have. The Audigy 2 I have is the best I've had, and I don't see it changing any time soon.

Hence the damned title of this topic! I want plugins or media players that WILL provide better audio. Not reasons why I can't, blah blah blah. Obviously I can if I've managed to do it consistently since the beginning of time. You were right, I didn't really like the elegant solution. My eventual goal is speakers. However, I know all about the headphone solution. I've heard it a million times from you, C38, lol Trying to convert me, are we?




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#12 12 years ago

*stands up and shuffles feet, looking at the floor*

My name is C38368 and... and, I'm a, umm.. I'm a headphone junkie

;)

In all seriousness, the reason I keep coming back to it is that for as much or less money than any speaker set of comparable fidelity, you can get get very good headphone (and amp, if necessary) combo. I know you and I have been around the whole "shake the house off the foundation" bush before, but a pair of nice cans and a decent source (or in your case, a decently un-suckified as-best-as-possible-with-EQ Audigy) is really a good value. You do give up some on the positioning front, but also gain a lot on the fidelity front at any given price point.

But seriously, check out foobar. You can pull the mids out of the Audigy's waveform and probably get a pretty good sound out of it, all things considered.




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#13 12 years ago

Flakpanzer;3279992Yeah yeah.. I don't use speakers right now, so I use my headset. Yes, using an equalizer DOES make a difference. You may not notice it, but I definitely do. Stop trying to argue every reason to NOT help me, and actually do something. So far, C38 is the ONLY person who has been constructive here. Does nobody notice that I said I cannot afford anything better because I lack income? If you aren't going to actually be constructive and productive, don't sit here and talk down to me like I don't know what I'm talking about. Its quite obvious why I don't have anything better, and won't for some time. Regardless, I'd like to get the most out of what I have. The Audigy 2 I have is the best I've had, and I don't see it changing any time soon.

Hence the damned title of this topic! I want plugins or media players that WILL provide better audio. Not reasons why I can't, blah blah blah. Obviously I can if I've managed to do it consistently since the beginning of time. Trying to convert me, are we?

Sir, that's awfully rude of you. The bottom line is that these people are trying to help you. If they didn't feel that they were (helping you), then they wouldn't post their thoughts.




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#14 12 years ago
C38368;3281979*stands up and shuffles feet, looking at the floor* My name is C38368 and... and, I'm a, umm.. I'm a headphone junkie ;) In all seriousness, the reason I keep coming back to it is that for as much or less money than any speaker set of comparable fidelity, you can get get very good headphone (and amp, if necessary) combo. I know you and I have been around the whole "shake the house off the foundation" bush before, but a pair of nice cans and a decent source (or in your case, a decently un-suckified as-best-as-possible-with-EQ Audigy) is really a good value. You do give up some on the positioning front, but also gain a lot on the fidelity front at any given price point. But seriously, check out foobar. You can pull the mids out of the Audigy's waveform and probably get a pretty good sound out of it, all things considered.

Haha, well, it would be great if I could find an amazing headSET, because as you know I game alot, and need the microphone (I've found desktop mics to not be very satisfying.). I know of Grado's high quality headphones, but I really need a headset. Thats why I use the AHS-502i that I have instead of speakers. Its also because my speakers I have now just can't cut it. I've actually been able to pull pretty good sound from this headset, and in many cases, it sounds better than my speakers. One thing that steers me away from any cans is that I've had surgery on my ears, and I have a rather bad habit of cranking up the sound on them and hurting my ears (healing is taking longer than normal as a result). Speakers I can have loud enough to enjoy the sound, without being tempted to crank it up too loud. Its kind of a situation where I consider the pros and cons of each, and right now, I feel speakers (Z-2300's are still my eventual goal, rather than the Z-5500's) are a better option. Plus, to be quite honest, when it comes to headphones, I don't know much about it, compared to speakers. The reason I was being hostile to an extent is because more than once someone has posted something that has been brought up already or already answered in my posts. Its obnoxious to be told more than once that my hardware sucks and I shouldn't even worry about sound quality. Especially when I'm not asking about my hardware; I'm asking about software.

You say if they weren't trying to help, they wouldn't post. Sure they would. Its called trolling. However, C38, you've been giving good input because like I said before, you're being constructive with it, rather than downing on my entire venture right off the start. That is something I appreciate. If you have hardware recommendations, make them. Don't sit here and tell me how my hardware sucks. Also realize that I have literally ZERO income right now. If I had the money, I wouldn't be asking these questions. For now, I make do with what I have and enhance the experience with modifications which are free, not hundreds of dollars worth of replaced hardware that I cannot afford right now. Thats my reason. As a matter of fact, lets drop the whole subject of that crap and just focus on the answers. I'll check out foobar2k.




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#15 12 years ago

Gah, it won't let me add on to my post. I've gotten Foobar2k, but to be honest, equalizers were never my strong point (this is where it becomes apparent that my hardware isn't amazing, because I can't hear the minute differences, which means I can't tune it just right). As you know, of course, I really like the deep ends of songs, the really heavy, bassy parts. I had it considerably easier with WMP in which I could just use an albeit only semi-effective equalizer setting, it still didn't quite put out like I would hope. I found some presets they are somewhat good, but eww the treble. I can't get it set so it isn't way off balance (I like heavy deep bass, but without a medium setting for treble, it just doesn't work for some songs. Are there any equalizer presets you can recommend? Also, please do recommend any sound enhancing components. I'm very interested in Foobar2k, since it clearly has potential.




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#16 12 years ago

As for equilisers, here's a couple of more or less universal truths, modified to make sense with foobar: -Bass would be the first six bands or so (55Hz to 311Hz). Increasing these relative to the other bands will increase the amount of bass coming through. -Middling frequencies, perhaps the next three or four bands (440Hz to at least 880Hz, maybe 1.2kHz) should be dropped. The "bowl" configuration is very popular with most people because of how the ear perceives these frequencies: they make music sound fat and muddy. -Treble would be everything else. 10 and 14kHz are probably going to be the two highest settings that you can discern a difference on, with the 2.5 to 7kHz range being the most prominent as far as putting in or pulling out treble.

Based on your last post, you'd probably appreciate an increased set of bass frequencies and neutral treble. Pull some mids out, relative to the treble, also. Additionally, when you do this it is best to leave the highest-set band at +0dB and lower the rest (to say, -3dB for 440Hz). This helps prevent clipping. It also lowers the perceived volume; this can be corrected by increasing the gain or just turning the knob up.

I don't know what foobar has default presets for the equaliser, either. As for plugins, I'd ask in the Computer-As-Source forum of Head-Fi. Just don't tell them you have an Audigy or they'll likely fall into a mass seizure.

Flakpanzer;3282396One thing that steers me away from any cans is that I've had surgery on my ears, and I have a rather bad habit of cranking up the sound on them and hurting my ears (healing is taking longer than normal as a result). Speakers I can have loud enough to enjoy the sound, without being tempted to crank it up too loud.

Unless the surgery involved the pinnae or other exterior structure of the ear, headphones won't be any more damaging than speakers. There is also a case to be made with cans that, because the drivers are so much closer to the ears, superior sound can be had at lower SPL levels. Damage to internal structures has nothing to do with proximity to the driver. Just an FYI :)




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#17 12 years ago

I'll ask around, then. I'll get back on the equalizer and see what I can pull out of it. I did notice what you mentioned, the clipping. That does explain a majority of the equalizer problems that have plagued me in F2k. I had fluid in my ear (a ventilation tube was put in) and I was told to avoid loud sound after the surgery due to potential healing issues. I was able to for a while, but the calling of loud music and games had dragged me back. Maybe the slower healing might be more due to other things in that case then. Eh, who knows. As long as it heals and I get my hearing back. Thanks for the tip on the Audigy, as well. (Of course, I still think its doing its job quite well, I'm not going to disagree that there are certainly better pieces of hardware out there. You may dislike this too, since I've noticed you do have quite a liking for home stereo equipment [thats what I've gleaned from many of your recommendations, but I may have misread] but I've got my eye on an X-Fi, and a set of Z-2300's when I get the money. I haven't found a good headset option for my gaming though. Any recommendations on that point?)




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#18 12 years ago

Did it again, just a few minutes to slow to edit my post. Anyways, oh sweet jesus, the sound quality of Foobar2k is AWESOME. FINALLY I can get awesome bass response without a plugin that I have to restart every 10 minutes. Now I just need to figure out a way to balance the treble so its not so quiet. I do wish it had a volume bar. That, and its so hard to work with the interface because I'm not used to it at all (and I have a shit-ton of songs, most of which I don't even listen to. I basically copied all of my albums onto my computer, regardless if I listened to them anymore)




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#19 12 years ago

Volume slider can be found under Preferences, in the root level of the Playback tree. Yes, foobar is somewhat confounding to start, but it is very customizable. I personally have never delved far into it, as I do most of my listening on a Squeezebox anymore, however I'm quite certain that it's possible to put a volume slider on the primary interface.

As for the upgrade you're looking at, Logitech's speakers are nothing special, but they're nothing bad, either. I honestly don't think the X-Fi is worth the money, though. You get some very minor gains in gaming, and gain absolutely nothing in the fidelity department. I'm sure it'll come as no surprise to you if I suggest buying an audiophile-level card (they start at about $20 if you can find a Chaintech AV-710) to pair with your existing Audigy.




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#20 12 years ago

Well, you've also got to remember that my computer is a gaming machine first, music machine second. Thats whats steered me towards the X-Fi and the Z-2300's rather than getting high-fidelity home audio speakers or headphones, amps, and any hi-fi cards (the cards being more due to the fact that I know nothing about them to be able to use them to my benefit. Hell, I didn't even know of the Chaintech AV-710's existence until you just mentioned it.) Its hard to combine the two, in a few ways because the two are so much the same, but have such different demands. I've tended to focus on the gaming performance of my box rather than the audio performance, and just recently got into the audio part, but now its coming to decisions of what I want: Better gaming audio (which is why I got the Audigy 2ZS, not to mention the X-Fi was out of my price range) or Better music audio (which comes to audiophile level cards, not gaming sound cards) You say to "pair with" my Audigy. I was under the assumption that two sound cards would interfere with eachother? This has piqued my interest.

EDIT: Further searching has yielded no results on places selling the Chaintech AV-710. Hmm...

EDIT: Found one on ZipZoomFly.com for 25 bucks.

Oh, "great" news! I found the volume, right where you said it was, but just my luck, its at full. Now I have to figure out a way to raise my equalizer settings all together so I don't mess up the set up I have too much. Shit.

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I think I might have gotten a semi-decent set up for now, but theres a few clipping issues I'll have to iron out of it. Oh, I just figured out why it always felt like the bass was always coming out of the left ear of my headset (I thought it was messed up) its because I literally can't hear the bass in the ear that I most recently had surgery in, presumably because of the ventilation tube that is still in my ear.