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Aphis_Ikon

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#1 12 years ago

After all the problems that keep happening, more seem to keep showing. First it was the video card, then the hdd, then the monitor. Ugh, enough!

So here's what I'm having trouble with now!

I own an AIW ATI Radeon X800XL which I've exchanged several times already because 2/3 were defective. After getting one that finally works and is put in my computer (they tried the card in a demo computer first to make sure that this one works this time), it would last 15-20 mins on idle or load in windows before giving me a black screen (the monitor would just shut off and the computer would just continue to run).

Obviously this is just power related this time and not the card. So I bought a new PSU thinking that would just solve the problem. I knew little information about them at the time, so I just went with what I could afford. But what baffles me about this now (knowing a little bit more about power supplies) is that the power supply I used to have in had a higher amperage on the +12V rail than the new one I have. Apparently things like a video card that needs an external power connection (which is usually AGP), draws that power from the +12V rail. So a high amperage under that rail is usually best. Please correct me if I misunderstood anything about what I'm saying. Still learning about it. =)

The old PSU I had that would give me the black screen was an SPI 300watt with the +12V rail of 18.0A.

My new PSU which is a crappy Macron Power (400watt) is rated at 15A on the +12V rail.

Both suck. But why was the video card crapping out with the 300watt if it had a higher amperage than my new one? All I have running is one case fan, one cpu, one dvdrom, one hdd and one video card. Minimal in today's expectations of a gaming PC. I also got a CPU temperature monitor and GPU one as well. Both are showing normal temperature readings. So heat isn't a factor.

It's starting to piss me off.

It runs fine for about 3-5 hours before I get an ati2dvag.dll has stopped responding error. This is with using the Macron PSU. No black screen, just a different problem altogether. Great! !@#$*

Anyone else understand why this is happening? I've done a fresh install of windows upon putting in my X800XL, so it's not a driver conflict.

SO WHAT THE CRAP IS GOING ON?! How much friggin' amperage is needed on a rail to run the damn thing?! ..Ack!




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#2 12 years ago

i am not to keen on your amp rating. recent cards like yours demand at least 16amps constant power. most off brand PSU will fluctuate in their amp rating when in use . consider a quality PSU like antec or BFG. another cause of the problem could be your chipset as well , what board and chipset do you have? consider lowering AGP acceleration in bios to 4x, if that helps , then the problem is the board chipset overheating. last generation agp cards dont get along with boards that well . part of the reason for the migration to pcie. you can still live with it , but you will have to make some concesions.




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#3 12 years ago

So how can mine not work yet it's more than enough to?

An MSI K8MM-V with the VIA chipset. I also upgraded the 4in1 drivers as well. Current bios settings are: 8x AGP, FastWrites on, Aperture Size: 256, AGP Voltage: 1.55v. It's been a stable board through 2 years now. Wouldn't it make a "Beep" when it gets too hot (If you got the motherbard's hardware monitor enabled)?

The temperature readings when idle for the CPU are: 47°C. On load: 50-55°C. The temperature readings when idle for System are: 44°C. On load: 48-50°C. The temperature readings when idle for GPU are: 40°C. On Load: 65-70°C.

So for a small 300watt which put out 100watts for the +12V rail at 18A, and the 400watt which gave out 170watts for the +12V rail at 15A, why did these problems occur? The X800XL under load only uses around 50watts, and when idle, around 20watts. See here: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gpu-consumption2006_6.html

Since I have very little hooked up in my computer, not much more power is being drawn other than just what I had listed before. Got any other ideas?




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#4 12 years ago
Aphis_IkonSo how can mine not work yet it's more than enough to? An MSI K8MM-V with the VIA chipset. I also upgraded the 4in1 drivers as well. Current bios settings are: 8x AGP, FastWrites on, Aperture Size: 256, AGP Voltage: 1.55v. It's been a stable board through 2 years now. Wouldn't it make a "Beep" when it gets too hot (If you got the motherbard's hardware monitor enabled)? The temperature readings when idle for the CPU are: 47°C. On load: 50-55°C. The temperature readings when idle for System are: 44°C. On load: 48-50°C. The temperature readings when idle for GPU are: 40°C. On Load: 65-70°C. So for a small 300watt which put out 100watts for the +12V rail at 18A, and the 400watt which gave out 170watts for the +12V rail at 15A, why did these problems occur? The X800XL under load only uses around 50watts, and when idle, around 20watts. See here: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gpu-consumption2006_6.html Since I have very little hooked up in my computer, not much more power is being drawn other than just what I had listed before. Got any other ideas?

your problem may not necesarity be the amount of amps but their stability, cheap psu cause a sor t of ripple effect in their current that can cause problem , dont be confused with watt rating which doesnt really tell you much about the PSU performance. try seting your agp to 4x, if it helps, then the problem is the chipset the board temperature sensors are not all that acurate and a board would only start beeping with extremely high temps so dont rely too much on that




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#5 12 years ago

Thanks, I'll try that.




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#6 12 years ago

After setting the AGP 8x to 4x, and turning off FastWrites, and setting the AGP voltage to 1.6v and the DDR Voltage to 2.60v, it still continued to happen. Grrr, WTH?!




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#7 12 years ago

sounds like either your gfx card is overheating, or the psu isnt delivering a good constant supply to the board




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#8 12 years ago

The X800XL should be able to handle the temperatures you posted for it, if they are correct (and I don't think the board temperature sensors would be off by more than a couple degrees.) So yeah, if at all possible I would buy a good Antec or BFG power supply because I agree that it sounds like you arent getting a constant supply to the board. But if you think your GPU is overheating, then get a fan or heatsinks to cool it down.




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#9 12 years ago

go with thermaltake for the psu, mine is going strong for a good while, and they are cheaper than antec