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kow_ciller

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#1 9 years ago

So guys,I've been doing some pretty high-level overclocking recently (on air) and before the (forum)warz I had "maxed out" at 4.6ghz but during the warz I found my chip can go even farther and hit 4.8 with relative ease. With that being said, what would you guys think my best chance to hit 5ghz would be? Im thinking my ram is limiting me right now so its between replacing it (I know my board has more left in it) and moving from a TRUE to a relatively inexpensive water-loop. Or replacing my board and ram to go to DDR3/ X48 and sticking with air. Im not sure what to do, if new ram/water combo would be better than a new mobo/DDR3/2nd fan on TRUE, any suggestions would be nice. Either way its going to only cost me around $40-60max since I can sell my TRUE/ram to make up for the water loop/ram (scored an awesome deal on a 2x120 rad/ DD block), and I can sell my mobo/ram to make up for the new stuff as well.




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#2 9 years ago
kow_ciller;4999293...what would you guys think my best chance to hit 5ghz would be?

Is this really all that beneficial to the average tech board viewer, or in fact just a self serving expose disguised as a necessary question? Apparently you need help from others patting yourself on the back.

I've always thought OCing was primarily about getting a bit more bang for the buck out of your hardware, which includes keeping the settings reasonable to preserve most if not all of their projected lifespan.

What you've done is taken that bang for buck mindset and twisted it into an excentric bragging rights contest that totally abandons the original concept of OCing. Thus I find it odd you constantly argue points on what gear is best value.

In fact I'd go so far as to say these constant OCing "wars" threads are distracting enough to warrant their own forum, vs being plastered all over the general tech board as if everyone should be impressed with it.

You started out portraying yourself as the frugal, budget conscious OCer, often dotingly offering advice. You now seem more steeped in arrogance than advice, and quite frankly it goes against any perceived beginnings of philanthropy.

Anymore it's as if you're not even interested in talking about OCing unless you can in the midst of it bragg about examples of some of your way beyond necessary OC results that really don't show up as visible in any games except in FPS numbers and just make your gear beg for mercy.




kow_ciller

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#3 9 years ago

Well, when I can upgrade for around $40 I dont see any problem. Its not like im going and spending hundreds of dollars out of pocket for a couple hundred more mhz.

And for your info this isn't pointed at the "average tech board viewer" there are some people that like to clock their things higher than others and thats who this is aimed at. You dont need to come and threadcrap just because you're on shitty ass hardware and you dont feel like others have the right to push their hardware to the limits to see what they can do through tweaking and hard work.

Thanks for your input though. It goes along the lines of everything you post in most other threads that doesn't go along with what you agree.

Side note- Maybe instead of buying all the newest games (if you do indeed buy them), you should put that money toward a decent rig instead of running around in GTA4 at 3fps on the lowest detail.




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#4 9 years ago

Totally missed my point, as is typical when you've got your head in the OCing clouds, often leaving you very self centered.

The following comment...

kow_ciller;4999464Well, when I can upgrade for around $40 I dont see any problem. Its not like im going and spending hundreds of dollars out of pocket for a couple hundred more mhz.[/QUOTE]...which is a common example of being budget concious, is completely contradictory to this comment...
kow_ciller;4999464...push their hardware to the limits...

...where all the practicality of that first bang for the buck comment is thrown out the window. One does not fit the other. You seem to misunderstand or choose to ignore in your arrogance the difference between frugality and eccentricity.

As for these comments...[QUOTE=kow_ciller;4999464]...this isn't pointed at the "average tech board viewer" there are some people that like to clock their things higher than others and thats who this is aimed at. You dont need to come and threadcrap just because you're on shitty ass hardware and you dont feel like others have the right to push their hardware to the limits to see what they can do through tweaking and hard work.

Thanks for your input though. It goes along the lines of everything you post in most other threads that doesn't go along with what you agree.

..."some" people meaning very few, all the more reason for it to have a discrete board, vs being put on the main tech board.

I also find your calling my gear "shitty ass" is rather laughable coming from someone whom often tries to tout himself as budget conscious, a big part of which lifespan of one's system is obviously key. In an average lifespan of one's system contest, you would fail miserably. You also put words in my mouth implying I'm saying people don't have the right to push their gear hard.

I'm obviously just saying it's not practical to push it as hard as you can, and in fact the bragging about it, which is the main point here, is more self serving than beneficial to others. Then again, it's rather common that those on an ego trip take the words of others out of context when light is shed on the fact that they are looking to brag more than help.




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#5 9 years ago

Omen makes a valid point, whether or not it's aimed at you kow; being budget-conscious, and pushing your hardware to it's limits are two contradictory things. I do think it was somewhat mean of you to insult his hardware, as not everyone can help their financial situation.




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#6 9 years ago
The_Daedalus;4999487Omen makes a valid point, whether or not it's aimed at you kow; being budget-conscious, and pushing your hardware to it's limits are two contradictory things. I do think it was somewhat mean of you to insult his hardware, as not everyone can help their financial situation.

Well I'll follow by saying I may have sounded a bit crass myself, so I wasn't surprised by the way he described my gear, but quite honestly I feel it was more insulting to the concept of frugality in general and those whom live by it, than feeling insulted myself personally.

I may have voiced my frustration over the limitations of my rig on occasion, but I've also let it be known that for the most part it's poorly optimized games that are the culprit and that I am actually quite surprised and pleased with the way my rig has handled even made for dual core games.

Also, for the record, I could have afforded a better rig long ago and have even more to spend now, I just want to time the purchase right this time. Originally I had planned an E6700/8800 GTX build at the end of '07. Then I heard about the i7s coming out, planning an end of '08 build. Now it's the DX11 GT300 chips I'm waiting for.

So I've actually put off the new build twice, both times due to tech not available yet, not financial reasons. I DO however firmly believe in being frugal too obviously, or I would have wasted money on gear I kept only a short while and taken losses on it, like many do. I also believe in being practical, and quite honestly if I were to have upgraded, it would have only made a difference in a handful of the games I own, many of them poorly optimized.

Basically I don't find anything wrong with max OCing as a hobby, but IMHO it should be kept separate from the more common exploits of merely trying to run games without a bottleneck on a limited budget, getting needed but not overkill speed out of your CPU. In fact, like I said, I feel it needs it's own forum where everyone there is knowledgeable and avid about such things.

When you mix it in with general tech chat where most are just looking for a practical OC though, you can wind up with pointless and/or misleading arguments over which gear and/or system config is faster, and you invariably end up with cases where gamers care more about their current CPU speed and FPS way beyond anything needed, than what long term value, reliability and stability they get out of their gear.

Like I said, there's a big difference between OCing for bragging rights, and giving advice on a practical OC. This is not unlike compulsive gambling, rarely do you find that one whom spends their last dime at the race track is one to admit their win to loss ratio. They're more content thinking about their latest win in the hopes to get another soon, than how much money they're going to have on hand in the future.




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#7 9 years ago
The_Daedalus;4999487Omen makes a valid point, whether or not it's aimed at you kow; being budget-conscious, and pushing your hardware to it's limits are two contradictory things. I do think it was somewhat mean of you to insult his hardware, as not everyone can help their financial situation.

How is it contradictory to push your hardware to its limits and still be budget minded? That would make it even more budget minded since you're trying to get the MOST for your money and not settling for mediocre performance. And dont you think its kind of contradictory for omen to have a old computer, yet buy all the newest games? I buy games once a year, yet I have new hardware. If you dont have unlimited funds you've got to sacrifice one thing or the other. I find it more offensive that he always has to go against anything I say. And attack me in my own thread.

And, considering its only cost me $300 (out of pocket)to upgrade from a Athlon 2800+, Asus A7V8X-X, 1.5gb of ram, and a Radeon 8500 to my current rig I dont know how you cant say im not budget minded. I had that rig for 7years and I've just recently started upgrading all the time.

btw Omen, if you'd like to go ahead and make an overclocking sub-forum it'd be pretty nice. Until then I think I'll post threads here in the open.




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#8 9 years ago
kow_ciller;4999495How is it contradictory to push your hardware to its limits and still be budget minded?

Did you even read Omen's post? Does "life expectancy" ring a bell? It's hardly budget minded to have a CPU last you two years instead of five because of excessive OCing.




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#9 9 years ago
Did you even read Omen's post? Does "life expectancy" ring a bell? It's hardly budget minded to have a CPU last you two years instead of five because of excessive OCing.

I'd say it's certainly budget minded to buy a low end overclockable processor (example: i7 920@around 230ish dollars) and get it to go the same speed, or high than its 1000 counterpart. (i7 Extreme Edition)

Personally, I think it's amazing kow has gotten his 8400 to 4.806Ghz on air. It makes me want to adjust my OC a bit.

How much would you say you spend on games a year? Do you buy one, two games new each year? Including consoles, this adds up to AT LEAST 100 dollars a year. Now, even IF a high OC decreases the life span of your CPU to two years, you are going to get A THOUSANDFOLD (at least) more use/entertainment out of it than ANY of the games you could buy. And what does it cost? A grand total of two new games a year.




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#10 9 years ago

Seriously, what gamer keeps their rig for more than 5-years these days? You can buy a mid-ranged computer and keep upgrading it every year rather than buying a $2k rig thats going to be outdated in a month.