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Flash525

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#1 10 years ago

Ok, so I know I have already started several threads up on this project of mine, and have asked a fair few questions in all of them, but this one, at least this year, will be my last in regard to my current situation. I was actually all set to go ahead and purchase one today, that was until I went to the website (PC Specialists) and found that DDR3 Ram was suddenly avaliable. Does anyone have any information on this at all that they could share with me? I'm pretty sure I know what I'm going to be doing about the Ram and Graphics Card (which will be a 1024MB GForce 9800GT), so no need to go into either of them. I'm still unsure about the CPU though. As stated before, one of the many reasons I am getting a new system is so I can play some games, one such is Supreme Commander, which requires a 3.0GHz Processor. Just to clarify that, this would mean that if I get anything under (regardless of whether it is a duel or quad core) wont be suitable. Correct? Also, Ram. Do I really need anymore than 4Gigs of it? My options are 2, 4 or 8. I would get 6, but I've not been given that choice. And two final questions, the first is would there be any point in getting a Blue Ray Drive? Or should I stick with the typical DVD drive for now? The second, is the PSU. Generally (and for someone playing games like SupCom), what would an ideal PSU watt be? I was thinking 600/700? On a concluding note, I want to order this system before 2009 kicks in, and from this point forward, I have five / six days to do it. Other Threads: http://forums.filefront.com/tech-discussion/387465-hardware-questions.html http://forums.filefront.com/tech-discussion/387463-next-windows-operating-system.html http://forums.filefront.com/tech-discussion/387693-mesh-computer-purchase.html http://forums.filefront.com/tech-discussion/388644-differences-between.html




Huffardo

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#2 10 years ago
Transmission;4741766I was actually all set to go ahead and purchase one today, that was until I went to the website (PC Specialists) and found that DDR3 Ram was suddenly avaliable. Does anyone have any information on this at all that they could share with me?[/QUOTE] Yes, building a system with it is expensive. In my opinion it isn't something you need to take into consideration.

Transmission;4741766I'm still unsure about the CPU though. As stated before, one of the many reasons I am getting a new system is so I can play some games, one such is Supreme Commander, which requires a 3.0GHz Processor. Just to clarify that, this would mean that if I get anything under (regardless of whether it is a duel or quad core) wont be suitable. Correct?[/QUOTE] No, that is completely false. Just trust us at least a bit, we won't suggest you a CPU that won't handle your specified needs, not without someone objecting.

Those clock frequency demands for games are completely outdated, I don't know why they still exist, but you need to understand that they don't have anything to do with reality. As an example a 2,66 GHz E7300 will annihilate a 3,2 GHz P4 any time of the day.

Transmission;4741766Also, Ram. Do I really need anymore than 4Gigs of it? My options are 2, 4 or 8. I would get 6, but I've not been given that choice.
No, not now, and it is incredibly easy to add some if you need more later. [QUOTE=Transmission;4741766]And two final questions, the first is would there be any point in getting a Blue Ray Drive? Or should I stick with the typical DVD drive for now?

Not really, stick with a DVD-RW drive for now and wait for prices to drop. That is unless you want to watch movies that come on Blu-ray disks now rather than wait, deciding that is up to you.

[QUOTE=Transmission;4741766]The second, is the PSU. Generally (and for someone playing games like SupCom), what would an ideal PSU watt be? I was thinking 600/700?

It depends entirely on your other hardware, but a reliable one rated at 500 W should be more than safe enough for a Core 2 Duo with one graphics card. Go for more if you e.g. go for a quad or several graphics cards.




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#3 10 years ago
h is Supreme Commander, which requires a 3.0GHz Processor.

Be very very carefull here. Supreme commander runs far better on a 1.8 dual core and it would on a 5 single core.

The way I understand it, the AI code and a large number of other functions are extremely biased towards mutli core processors and even those a lot slower in speed will still perform better than any single core.




kow_ciller

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#4 10 years ago

If I were you, I would save my money and see what Phenom II really does. If reports are right this thing will beat out 45nm quads and come close to i7.

For the PSU you would be best off getting something like a Corsair HX520 if you're just going to go with a single card. That might even be too much so you could go with a VX450 instead.




Flash525

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#5 10 years ago
Huffardo;4741872Yes, building a system with it is expensive. In my opinion it isn't something you need to take into consideration.[/quote]Noted. I'll stay away from this for a while then.
Huffardo;4741872No, that is completely false. Just trust us at least a bit, we won't suggest you a CPU that won't handle your specified needs, not without someone objecting.[/quote]Something I had no idea about. Am glad I asked. :lol: Still find it strange though that games and such still state what clock frequencies to run at etc.
Huffardo;4741872No, not now, and it is incredibly easy to add some if you need more later.[/quote]True enough.
Huffardo;4741872Not really, stick with a DVD-RW drive for now and wait for prices to drop. That is unless you want to watch movies that come on Blu-ray disks now rather than wait, deciding that is up to you.[/quote]I don't think Blue-ray is really 'here' yet, so shall stick with DVD for now. Save me some money. [quote=Huffardo;4741872]It depends entirely on your other hardware, but a reliable one rated at 500 W should be more than safe enough for a Core 2 Duo with one graphics card. Go for more if you e.g. go for a quad or several graphics cards.
Am going for a Quad Core, though only a single GFX Card, so guess I'd go with a 600w PSU? [quote=wraithcat;4741957]Be very very carefull here. Supreme commander runs far better on a 1.8 dual core and it would on a 5 single core. The way I understand it, the AI code and a large number of other functions are extremely biased towards mutli core processors and even those a lot slower in speed will still perform better than any single core.
I shall keep this in mind. Thanks! :) [quote=kow_ciller;4742059]If I were you, I would save my money and see what Phenom II really does. If reports are right this thing will beat out 45nm quads and come close to i7.
I've been waiting to get a new computer since Janurary 2008. I'm not waiting for another processor (which may or may not be what its made out to be) to arrive. Besides, I don't need a computer that has the best of the best. Sure it would be nice, but I don't need it, and the i7'sand Phenom II's don't come cheap. [quote=kow_ciller;4742059]For the PSU you would be best off getting something like a Corsair HX520 if you're just going to go with a single card. That might even be too much so you could go with a VX450 instead.

I don't have options for these.




kow_ciller

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#6 10 years ago

Phenom II is coming within the next few weeks. Its going to be around $200 for the entry level chip. And if it clocks to 4ghz. Should completely be worth it. I wouldn't go with that 1gig 9800GT if I were you. That ram is NOT going to be used since the 9800gt gpu isn't going to be able to push that many pixels to the vram. Look for a 4850 or 9800gtx+ for slightly more money instead.




Flash525

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#7 10 years ago
kow_ciller;4742302Phenom II is coming within the next few weeks. Its going to be around $200 for the entry level chip. And if it clocks to 4ghz. Should completely be worth it.[/quote]I still think I'll pass, but thanks anyway. [quote=kow_ciller;4742302]I wouldn't go with that 1gig 9800GT if I were you. That ram is NOT going to be used since the 9800gt gpu isn't going to be able to push that many pixels to the vram. Look for a 4850 or 9800gtx+ for slightly more money instead.

The 4850 is a Radeon, right? I changed the graphics card (after your suggestion) to both the 4850 and 9800gtx, and the price wasn't all that bad. Question is, which out of the 4850 and 9800GTX is the better? - and why wont the ram be able to push the pixels to the vram?




Flash525

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#8 10 years ago

Yeah, so I've only got three days left before 2009, and I really want to order this new system before then, so wouldn't mind someone updating me on the graphics card situation. Was going to get a 1024MB GeForce 9800GT, but have been told instead to get either a 512MB Radeon 4850, or a 512MB GeForce 9800GTX. Why the 512 cards over the 1024MB card? I'd have thought the 1024MB card to be better. I can only assume the Processor isn't good enough?




kow_ciller

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#9 10 years ago

More ram does not equal better performance. Usually the 4850 will beat the 9800GTX+. I personally went with a 4850 and couldn't be happier.




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#10 10 years ago

Yeah...the 1GB 9800GT you picked out is a generation-old card that they've stuck a new name and some more RAM on.