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Freyr Advanced Member

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#11 12 years ago

Freyr;4217828 + It looks nicer than XP if you turn all the details on. - Its *much* slower than XP - It crashes randomly. - Half your programs probably won't work. - File copying/deleting probably won't work. Or if it does, expect file copying to seem like downloading a CD across a 56k modem. - Its going to drive you insane asking you if you want to do whatever you just told it to do courtesy of UAC. You can disable this, but UAC is the new security measure in Vista. - Vista protects you by making it virtually impossible to do anything. Like connecting to a network properly. - Vista dosen't support IPX networking. You don't play any games on multi that were released before ~2002 do you?

I must say I don't actually own Vista. These points have been picked up from watching one of my cousins using his while we have been playing multi games with it. What does he think of it? After being told you could still buy WinXP he's planning on buying a new laptop with WinXP and giving the Vista one to his brother. Draw you own conclusions.[/quote]

[quote=Vinceh;4217986]Freyr, I have Vista, and it has never randomly crashed or many of the things you mentioned. Tbh, I smell bullshit. Don't knock it till you've tried it.

All true. His machine does do exactly what I have said.

- Its *much* slower than XP

His laptop takes at least twice as long to do get around to running programs. It takes considerably longer to load up or shut down.

- It crashes randomly.

Windows Vista has displayed several blue screens and then restart. I found it very funny as it looks like the BSOD is back in Vista.

- Half your programs probably won't work.

A considerable number of games, especially the older ones simply won't run. If they do then they are often without sound or other functionality like networking.

- File copying/deleting probably won't work. Or if it does, expect file copying to seem like downloading a CD across a 56k modem.

Copying an ~300MB zipped mod to his computer took several hours across a 100Mb network. All other PC's on the network communicate at 100Mb. Thats a problem with Vista.

- Its going to drive you insane asking you if you want to do whatever you just told it to do courtesy of UAC. You can disable this, but UAC is the new security measure in Vista.

He certainly seemed rather put out at being asked to allow every single thing he did on the computer and I can only think of a handful of people than I have seen so happy as when I told him how to disable UAC.

- Vista protects you by making it virtually impossible to do anything. Like connecting to a network properly.

Though connected to our network Vista refuses to display any of the computers on it. He can only access our computers by typing in the IP and then navigating from there.

- Vista dosen't support IPX networking. You don't play any games on multi that were released before ~2002 do you?

Vista does not support IPX, though large numbers of older games use it. Good luck getting Microsoft to digitally sign a driver for you to use.

Now, I know each and every one of these is correct because I have sat and watched it, and furthermore having seen news articles on a good half of these points at some point on IT sites I suspect I can come up with links backing those facts.

Rather than calling me a lier you could actually address any of those points. Alternately, if you can't do that you could go and troll in the spam forum.




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#12 12 years ago
Freyr;4217828+ It looks nicer than XP if you turn all the details on.[/quote] Yes, 'tis shiny.
Freyr;4217828- Its *much* slower than XP[/quote] Yes, like XP is *much* slower than 98SE. Get over it already; buy some more RAM. The 4GB RAM in my machine cost less than 512MB did when XP came out (and for a few years afterwards). Vista runs a hell of a lot faster on 4GB than XP did on 512MB.
Freyr;4217828- It crashes randomly.[/quote] Not that I've noticed. It's genuinely the most stable version of Windows I've used, perhaps aside from 3.11 - which I can't remember ever crashing on me over the period of about 5 years - but that's not exactly relevant.
Freyr;4217828- Half your programs probably won't work.[/quote] Again, not something I've really had a problem with. The only thing that didn't work was an ancient version of Nero that I got bundled with a DVD burner years ago. If older games are the issue then dual boot with XP. All it needs is, what, 2GB of drive space? That's nothing nowadays (in terms of storage space or cost). [QUOTE=Freyr;4217828]- File copying/deleting probably won't work. Or if it does, expect file copying to seem like downloading a CD across a 56k modem.
They fixed that ages ago, and even when it wasn't fixed it wasn't anywhere near that bad. I regularly move large amounts of files (suffice to say a 150GB Raptor isn't the only drive in this machine) and it moves them with no problem, even over a (wireless) network. [QUOTE=Freyr;4217828]- Its going to drive you insane asking you if you want to do whatever you just told it to do courtesy of UAC. You can disable this, but UAC is the new security measure in Vista.
It needs confirmation when installing software or running a small minority of programs. When I was setting it up it was asking me every few minutes, but during normal PC use it only asks a few times a day at most. [QUOTE=Freyr;4217828]- Vista protects you by making it virtually impossible to do anything. Like connecting to a network properly.
I've got it networked with both Vista and other versions of Windows, using remote desktop and VNC, connected to a VPN (again with Vista and other versions of Windows), all sharing files and resources. Wasn't any harder than XP. [QUOTE=Freyr;4217828]- Vista dosen't support IPX networking. You don't play any games on multi that were released before ~2002 do you?

Annoying for some people, I admit. However the vast majority of people won't give a flying fuck that a largely obsolete networking protocol from the 90s has been left out of Vista. Again: Gaming. Dual Boot. Get over it.




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Bs|Archaon;4220998Yes, 'tis shiny.

Yes, like XP is *much* slower than 98SE. Get over it already; buy some more RAM. The 4GB RAM in my machine cost less than 512MB did when XP came out (and for a few years afterwards). Vista runs a hell of a lot faster on 4GB than XP did on 512MB.

Not that I've noticed. It's genuinely the most stable version of Windows I've used, perhaps aside from 3.11 - which I can't remember ever crashing on me over the period of about 5 years - but that's not exactly relevant.

Again, not something I've really had a problem with. The only thing that didn't work was an ancient version of Nero that I got bundled with a DVD burner years ago. If older games are the issue then dual boot with XP. All it needs is, what, 2GB of drive space? That's nothing nowadays (in terms of storage space or cost).

They fixed that ages ago, and even when it wasn't fixed it wasn't anywhere near that bad. I regularly move large amounts of files (suffice to say a 150GB Raptor isn't the only drive in this machine) and it moves them with no problem, even over a (wireless) network.

It needs confirmation when installing software or running a small minority of programs. When I was setting it up it was asking me every few minutes, but during normal PC use it only asks a few times a day at most.

I've got it networked with both Vista and other versions of Windows, using remote desktop and VNC, connected to a VPN (again with Vista and other versions of Windows), all sharing files and resources. Wasn't any harder than XP.

Annoying for some people, I admit. However the vast majority of people won't give a flying fuck that a largely obsolete networking protocol from the 90s has been left out of Vista. Again: Gaming. Dual Boot. Get over it.

It's weird that I agree 100% with everything there.

About the UAC, people make it seem like some huge problem. It's no big deal, because we all know that clicking 2 extra times wastes precious minutes in your day. :rolleyes:

Only time UAC even asks me anything is when playing BF2, and starting up Xfire, that's it. Otherwise, it minds its own business.




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#14 12 years ago

Vinceh;4217986Freyr, I have Vista, and it has never randomly crashed or many of the things you mentioned. Tbh, I smell bullshit. Don't knock it till you've tried it.[/QUOTE] Don't NOT knock Vista till you've opened your eyes =p

[QUOTE=confusingkid;4221092] About the UAC, people make it seem like some huge problem. It's no big deal, because we all know that clicking 2 extra times wastes precious minutes in your day. :rolleyes:

Only time UAC even asks me anything is when playing BF2, and starting up Xfire, that's it. Otherwise, it minds its own business.

UAC is annoying...thats why people make a big deal of it...FOR FRICK SAKE! YES IM SURE I WANT TO COPY THE BLOOMING FILE! "Are you sure?" "AHHHHHH *Format*" You shouldn't HAVE to click 2 extra times to tell YOUR computer to do what YOU want, it should do it without all this fancy BS 'protecting', quite frankly, MS need a life, they can't SERIOUSLY think that people randomly sit around trying to hack a random computer such as a general user's... More or less, they'll be hacking a MS computer, or a banks, something that is WORTH their time. I read the other day, that there is a 25% chance that a computer of a regular home user (Like us) is going to get hacked, and that 15% of those times, was from a remote access virus, easily stopped by a firewall




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Bs|Archaon;4220998 Yes, like XP is *much* slower than 98SE. Get over it already; buy some more RAM. The 4GB RAM in my machine cost less than 512MB did when XP came out (and for a few years afterwards). Vista runs a hell of a lot faster on 4GB than XP did on 512MB.[/quote]

He's got 2GB in the laptop, I don't think it will take anymore.

Bs|Archaon;4220998 Not that I've noticed. It's genuinely the most stable version of Windows I've used, perhaps aside from 3.11 - which I can't remember ever crashing on me over the period of about 5 years - but that's not exactly relevant.[/quote]

Fair enough. His computer's not that stable though. That having been said, it did go yesterday doing a couple of multi games on homeworld without crashing.

Bs|Archaon;4220998Again, not something I've really had a problem with. The only thing that didn't work was an ancient version of Nero that I got bundled with a DVD burner years ago. If older games are the issue then dual boot with XP. All it needs is, what, 2GB of drive space? That's nothing nowadays (in terms of storage space or cost).[/quote]

He dosen't have a non OEM version of XP to duel boot with.

Bs|Archaon;4220998 They fixed that ages ago, and even when it wasn't fixed it wasn't anywhere near that bad. I regularly move large amounts of files (suffice to say a 150GB Raptor isn't the only drive in this machine) and it moves them with no problem, even over a (wireless) network.

Apparently the fix dosen't work for everybody. It doesn't for him, and a quick search on el reg does show that I wasn't just imaging the news article on it a couple of months back.

Vista sets 2007 land-speed record for copying and deleting | The Register [quote=Bs|Archaon;4220998] It needs confirmation when installing software or running a small minority of programs. When I was setting it up it was asking me every few minutes, but during normal PC use it only asks a few times a day at most.

What dosen't Vista ask for confirmation on? I did think asking for confirmation on changing system wide security related settings was sensible, however it was also asking confirmation for running normal apps like games.

[quote=Bs|Archaon;4220998] I've got it networked with both Vista and other versions of Windows, using remote desktop and VNC, connected to a VPN (again with Vista and other versions of Windows), all sharing files and resources. Wasn't any harder than XP.

Meh. I haven't needed to do RDP/VNC or a VPN given when its on the network its sitting next to me. Its not displaying the rest of the network on network neighborhood though.

[quote=Bs|Archaon;4220998] Annoying for some people, I admit. However the vast majority of people won't give a flying fuck that a largely obsolete networking protocol from the 90s has been left out of Vista. Again: Gaming. Dual Boot. Get over it.

He cared when all the games in the C&C First decade pack he bought about a month before didn't work. There is a difference between a largely obselete but still used protocol being left out of Vista and theres designing Vista so that even if somebody writes the driver it can't be used. I don't think you should have to buy another copy of the previous version of windows as well as the current one to run programs.




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#16 12 years ago
Freyr;4221204He's got 2GB in the laptop, I don't think it will take anymore.
I've got a Vista machine downstairs with 2GB RAM which is perfectly fine as well. Granted, I don't do much in the way of gaming on it, but unless your counsin has a powerful laptop he won't be running anything amazing either. It does take a performance hit compared to XP, but it's simply because it's using more RAM. I'd compare it to running XP with 1.5GB. Not as good as 2GB, but it shouldn't be slow. Certainly not as slow as I think you mean.
Freyr;4221204Fair enough. His computer's not that stable though. That having been said, it did go yesterday doing a couple of multi games on homeworld without crashing.
Given how slow and unstable it is (or at least sounds), are you sure there's not actually something wrong with it, or that it's not being slowed down by the horde of pre-installed software that most laptops come with?
Freyr;4221204Apparently the fix dosen't work for everybody. It doesn't for him, and a quick search on el reg does show that I wasn't just imaging the news article on it a couple of months back.[/quote] Didn't know that, to be honest. [QUOTE=Freyr;4221204]What dosen't Vista ask for confirmation on? I did think asking for confirmation on changing system wide security related settings was sensible, however it was also asking confirmation for running normal apps like games.
As far as I'm aware it only asks if you're making a change to system settings/files and if the application needs administrator privilages for some reason. [QUOTE=Freyr;4221204]Meh. I haven't needed to do RDP/VNC or a VPN given when its on the network its sitting next to me. Its not displaying the rest of the network on network neighborhood though.
Have you enabled the 'Sharing and Discovery' options? It won't if you don't enable at least some of them; you can find them in the 'Network and Sharing Center'. I know your original point was about them locking it down, but I think the only new option is Network Discovery and it takes like 2 clicks to activate it... [QUOTE=Freyr;4221204]He cared when all the games in the C&C First decade pack he bought about a month before didn't work. There is a difference between a largely obselete but still used protocol being left out of Vista and theres designing Vista so that even if somebody writes the driver it can't be used. I don't think you should have to buy another copy of the previous version of windows as well as the current one to run programs.

If you'll permit me a moment or sarcasm: EA Games released something that isn't compatible with something else? OMFG THE WORLD IS GOING TO END!!! Oh, no wait....it's just another piece of EA Games software.




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Bs|Archaon;4221355I've got a Vista machine downstairs with 2GB RAM which is perfectly fine as well. Granted, I don't do much in the way of gaming on it, but unless your counsin has a powerful laptop he won't be running anything amazing either. It does take a performance hit compared to XP, but it's simply because it's using more RAM. I'd compare it to running XP with 1.5GB. Not as good as 2GB, but it shouldn't be slow. Certainly not as slow as I think you mean.

Like roughly the same speed or maybe slightly slower than my four year old soon to be replaced Athlon 64 3200 with a gig of DDR 400? Yeah. That sort of slow. A brand new dual core machine, even a laptop (and vista...) ought to outperform that noticeably IMO.

Guess what? The new build desktop will be using XP. I am not buying faster components just to use all the extra performance running an OS unless it provides a compelling reason for me to do that. I see considerably more disadvantages than advantages to "upgrading" to Vista.

Given how slow and unstable it is (or at least sounds), are you sure there's not actually something wrong with it, or that it's not being slowed down by the horde of pre-installed software that most laptops come with?

Yeah, he's uninstalled everything he dosen't want. He's not that bad with computers which is one of the reasons I consider Vista to be so awful. If it was obvious he'd have fixed it.

As far as I'm aware it only asks if you're making a change to system settings/files and if the application needs administrator privilages for some reason.

It seemed to be asking every time he was running a shortcut on his desktop. At least, it was until I googled for how to turn it off. =p

Have you enabled the 'Sharing and Discovery' options? It won't if you don't enable at least some of them; you can find them in the 'Network and Sharing Center'. I know your original point was about them locking it down, but I think the only new option is Network Discovery and it takes like 2 clicks to activate it...

Yep. It realises its connected to a network and its been told its a private network not a public network. Pretty much every security measure introduced has been turned off. The Vista laptop dosen't appear on any of the XP machines on the network, and vice versa.

It does connect and can browse shares when you enter the IP of the machine you want to connect to though.

If you'll permit me a moment or sarcasm: EA Games released something that isn't compatible with something else? OMFG THE WORLD IS GOING TO END!!! Oh, no wait....it's just another piece of EA Games software.

Normally I wouldn't really disagree with the general crappiness of EA Games. However, The first decade is a rerelease of the older C&C games, all of which use IPX before zero hour.

As I say, not having IPX support is one thing. Not allowing you to use it even if you had a driver that would work because its not signed by Microsoft is another, unless they are going to offer signing drivers as a public service.

Which they don't, so if its not supported by the default drivers its not supported at all and its unlikely that will ever change.




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