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Kilobyte

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#21 11 years ago

n0e;4029433eh.. I'm still very much against Apple.

My previous post was not intended to defend apple lovers,

Eh, I'm still against the Apple company myself. As well as Microsoft.

My previous post was not intended to defend Apple lovers either (or to change the meaning of your post n0e), merely to explain that I am more biased against Microsoft, than against Apple. Due to Microsoft's hold on the market.

One thing to remember about the 360 vs iPhone issue, is that Apple has a monopoly over the MP3 player industry, and the iPhone has no equal. They are THE name brand. Microsoft is not THE gaming console, yet,... This being their second console, they have a lot at stake. Sony could easily retake the lead. Even Nintendo has a chance.

The iPhone is a new "rich snob's" device. It has style, high price, and nifty features. In the Upper class, one can afford to be snobby, it is kind of expected. Their food is not made to order, the Chef tells them how the food should be cooked. The purchasers modified the phone, now they have to buy a new one. Boo, hoo, hoo.

The X-Box 360 is sold in a different Market. The middle class, who are willing to overlook some issues, if they think the benefits are worth it. Those who can be convinced that some minor benefits are more worthwhile. Even so, they do expect to be treated with a certain respect. "The customer is always right." If they get snobbed, they will take their business elsewhere. Microsoft NEEDS the X-Box to succeed. So they just about had to do what they did.

The iPhones were modified, The X-Boxes were stock, and failed while doing the very task they were designed to do. There is a difference between the examples. The iPhoned worked, the X-Box didn't. It is comparing Apples to Oranges. Or, Apple, to Microsoft.

Edit: At least Apple told the customers to their face, so they would know what to expect. Microsoft prefers to dance around the bush. Whenever Microsoft updates their software, and it breaks something. They beat around the bush. So your left trying to figure out whether or not they are going to patch the patch, or let somebody else fix it.

One might assume that Apple did that on purpose. Both Apple, and Microsoft are known to do that sort of thing.




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#22 11 years ago
>Omen<;4029497Say WHAT, unbiased, You must be joking nOe? Everything you say about Apple is in bashing them whilst you use somewhat embellished examples to defend MS. The primary example of which I can think of right now is your implying MS fixed the Xbox 360. It needed more than some "defective units" replaced, it wasn't designed well to begin with. I appreciate you letting people speak their mind but I think it's time to admit you are indeed very biased about Apple vs MS. ;) See what you started Rob.:rolleyes:

What he is saying is completely valid. Just because he's regulating the argument and has an opinion at the same time doesn't mean he's biased.

Personally, I don't like apple much. I don't know much about the company itself, except for the whole poorly payed iTunes music artists, so this is more based on just their products. I don't like the iTunes media which other players can't use, I don't like how you pay extra for the brand name.

edit: I will say I'm a bit biased toward Microsoft naturally, as it's what I've always used. It's what suits my needs. I really want to also get Ubuntu running though, as it's a bit of a cross between Apple OS and Windows interfaces.




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#23 11 years ago

Bs|Archaon;4029572I'm sorry, but you mentioned 4 products and that you've had 3 problems? Do you really think that's acceptable?[/quote]

Considering that they spanned since 2002, yes.

[quote=n0e;4029241]Sure he can. It's called freedom of speech. While it's not a right on these forums, I do allow such content on these forums. You could make a post boasting your love for apple and how much windows sucks and it would be the same for you as well.

He has every right to speak his mind about a company he hates.

I didn't say he can't, I said he shouldn't.




EO Violation

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#24 11 years ago

n0e;4029241Sure he can. It's called freedom of speech. While it's not a right on these forums, I do allow such content on these forums. You could make a post boasting your love for apple and how much windows sucks and it would be the same for you as well.

He has every right to speak his mind about a company he hates.

I didn't say he can't, I said he shouldn't.




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#25 11 years ago

Monster_user;4029611Eh, I'm still against the Apple company myself. As well as Microsoft.

My previous post was not intended to defend Apple lovers either (or to change the meaning of your post n0e), merely to explain that I am more biased against Microsoft, than against Apple. Due to Microsoft's hold on the market.

One thing to remember about the 360 vs iPhone issue, is that Apple has a monopoly over the MP3 player industry, and the iPhone has no equal. They are THE name brand. Microsoft is not THE gaming console, yet,... This being their second console, they have a lot at stake. Sony could easily retake the lead. Even Nintendo has a chance.

The iPhone is a new "rich snob's" device. It has style, high price, and nifty features. In the Upper class, one can afford to be snobby, it is kind of expected. Their food is not made to order, the Chef tells them how the food should be cooked. The purchasers modified the phone, now they have to buy a new one. Boo, hoo, hoo.

The X-Box 360 is sold in a different Market. The middle class, who are willing to overlook some issues, if they think the benefits are worth it. Those who can be convinced that some minor benefits are more worthwhile. Even so, they do expect to be treated with a certain respect. "The customer is always right." If they get snobbed, they will take their business elsewhere. Microsoft NEEDS the X-Box to succeed. So they just about had to do what they did.

The iPhones were modified, The X-Boxes were stock, and failed while doing the very task they were designed to do. There is a difference between the examples. The iPhoned worked, the X-Box didn't. It is comparing Apples to Oranges. Or, Apple, to Microsoft.

Edit: At least Apple told the customers to their face, so they would know what to expect. Microsoft prefers to dance around the bush. Whenever Microsoft updates their software, and it breaks something. They beat around the bush. So your left trying to figure out whether or not they are going to patch the patch, or let somebody else fix it.

One might assume that Apple did that on purpose. Both Apple, and Microsoft are known to do that sort of thing.

And this is a great example of why you should always wait a year or two before buying a microsoft product. Like I just bought my 360 a few months ago, and I haven't had nearly the problems my cousin had, in fact, none.




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#26 11 years ago
>Omen<;4029497Say WHAT, unbiased, You must be joking nOe? Everything you say about Apple is in bashing them whilst you use somewhat embellished examples to defend MS. The primary example of which I can think of right now is your implying MS fixed the Xbox 360. It needed more than some "defective units" replaced, it wasn't designed well to begin with. I appreciate you letting people speak their mind but I think it's time to admit you are indeed very biased about Apple vs MS. ;) See what you started Rob.:rolleyes:

actually I was letting you know my personal stance on apple while also stating that the official stance on the forums is that you can complain about either company as you don't like them. The forum policies are unbiased towards any opinion regarding a company, not my own views.


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#27 11 years ago
>Omen< I hate iTunes too, it being required to load songs is the main reason I'm against iPods in general. I also don't like Apple's music store in general, nothing but overpriced low quality 128 bit songs. Compare them to Musicmatch (now Yahoo Music) and you get lower bit rate for a higher price and not really any better slection when you consider all the crap filler artists/songs they have. Quicktime is not as good as Media Player even if it's full version were included free and the Apple audio codec just doesn't compare to wmv.

I notice that most peoples hate of iTunes comes from the iTunes store. Does anybody else just use it to manage there collection and not actually buy there music? Also, are you talking about AAC vs WMV? AAC gives great quality at lower bitrates than either MP3 or WMV, but not as good as a lossless format. A AAC track at 256k has just as good of quality as a MP3 at 320k, with a smaller filesize. Its just that AAC is not common enough for most people to use.




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#28 11 years ago

EO Violation;4028799All of my experience, and all of the experiences of my family and friends with Apple computers, directly contradicts what you have to say.

Looks like you got a rotten apple, pun intended.

Ah, the old, "well I have a friend who said otherwise, so I must be right" argument!




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#29 11 years ago

Hey now, microsoft fixed the 360's, they now come in the smaller manufacturing tech, and the chipsets are now glued to the boards to prevent stress on the solder joints. What was happening was when the 360 got hot, just like everything else, the boards warped, and the solder joints snapped. Now at release what the problem was...was stupid... "racial slur"s didn't peel the foil off of the chips when assembling the 360s, causeing the chips to fry almost imediatly. And who is talking about microsoft being a monopoly? Please, on operating systems yes. And Windows Vista is an extremely well put together operating system. Why does Windows seem to have the most problem? The MOST used operating system has the MOST users, thus the MOST programs and cracks designed against it. I wish we could find a security threat per user count on the different OS's, now THAT would be interesting. Well..what I was getting at, Apple IS a monopoly. People don't ask for mp3 players, or even refer to them as mp3 players. Its iPod this, iPod that, look at that iPod! No you twat, thats called an mp3 player, and that one is not even manufactured by Apple! Honestly, don't look at it as who is bigger and smaller, look at it as who gives the customer the most for what they pay? answer is Microsoft.




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#30 11 years ago

LOL, that's just pathetic. Gluing the boards in place so they don't warp? Why didn't they just build them with adequate cooling so they don't get that hot in the first place? Anyone can see that is what's known as a "bandaid solution." Besides the fix being "warped" (pun intended), the original testing process of the must have involved several drunken frat boys whom were payed to rave about the device with free 360 toasters. I wonder what the game discs look like after several play throughs.