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*The.Doctor

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#141 12 years ago

I've had BSOD's on both. I must say though, i have had less crashes/lockups on Vista so far, mainly because when a program under Vista crashes, it usually doesn't take the whole OS with it.




Sgt. D. Pilla

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#142 12 years ago

lol, so you agree its more stable so far. Thats great to hear though, so far people in this thread are agreeing its more stable, better networking, faster in most regards and just as compatible. Price wise we all know its the same price as XP as proven before.

That leaves optimization haha




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#143 12 years ago

Double post cause im lazy to edit...

I understand superfetch. While it works great on faster computers, it should be able to adjust itself to function on a wider range of computers.

Well, it does in a way. It stops indexing when running on laptop batteries, its capped to use #% of CPU, Vistas memory optimizations restrict it from flogging your ram to death. However, I do agree that superfetch in itself isn't the best, it rapes hard drives to death which I hate, especially in laptops and their slow ass 5200RPMs.

Couldn't they have just as easily taken out a few unecessary features to make it work for every cat?

Thats impossible, a cat in 10years time could have Sivita and die from an allergic reaction, 10 years ago there was no way of knowing if a cat in the future will have an allergic reaction to a particular chemical... Microsoft (no company for that matter) can make old computers run new software, its impossible. So they have requirements. Expecting vista to run on every system is a joke, besides, it already runs on any system with 512MB Ram (Vista Basic does atleast) Which is like any PC 4 - 5 years ago My 10yr old machine has 256MB ram, so its fair enough to expect half that age to have double the ram.

I don't understand how you can space Internet Explorer from Vista when they are so closely knit

Because its still a third party application, made by MS yes, but just because Vista is made by Microsoft, and so is the Xbox and Halo, does that mean they are closly knit? No, they were made by completly different departments and teams, have completly different programming, and thus is the same as a third party application.

Half of the job is to make applications actually work on it. When the company that made the operating system can't even properly develop for it, there's obviously some sort of problem.

I agree, but Vista doesn't have this problem... Vista works fine, its the third party programs and applications that are STILL being made for it that cause it to bork. Vista doesn't cause Vista to bork, Asus Drivers cause Vista to bork, Applications make Vista bork.

If you install Vista, and leave it run for 100 years, it will run fine, restarting a few times because of Updates and thats about it. That is a stable OS.

When you need to download some freeware program because the largest company in the world can't handle the job, well what the hell.

Only you don't have to... Vista runs all programs, Made for Vista, just fine. I've never had to download something from company C, so that Company Bs program will work with Company As Operating System.

You buy Company Bs program, that says "Works with Vista", which means it works with Company As Operating System.

Microsoft allows the software to be bundled

As long as that program doesn't cause the Operating System havok... NO Company will say "Sure put your software with mine, I don't care if it makes it look bad" MS would make sure their program works atleast 80% of the time on their Operating System.

There's no point creating a stable OS if even Microsoft's own products which are stable on other OS' crash in it.

But IE7 is stable on Vista... In all fairness, IE7 is fantastic and is stable on all systems that can handle it, its a far improvement from IE6, now almost non existent




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#144 12 years ago
Sgt. D. Pilla;4565555MS would make sure their program works atleast 80% of the time on their Operating System.

80%? I'm sure that's just a random number you've pulled out of your arse, but didn't you just shoot your own argument in the foot?




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#145 12 years ago

proably not from his point off view...




Sgt. D. Pilla

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#146 12 years ago

Well no I didn't, I'm just stating what I gather to be fairly common knowledge that no program ever works 100% of the time on any operating system. IE is built into Vista and XP and every other MS OS post 3.1 so works really well, 80%+ of the time atleast




Mr. Pedantic

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#147 12 years ago
Well no I didn't, I'm just stating what I gather to be fairly common knowledge that no program ever works 100% of the time on any operating system.

But you sure as hell hope it doesn't crash once every five times you use it...




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#148 12 years ago

This is how it works.

Vista < XP < Linux




Sgt. D. Pilla

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#149 12 years ago

Nah, more XP < Vista < Linux Linux is better then Vista, which is better then XP lol




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#150 12 years ago
Sgt. D. Pilla;4565555 Expecting vista to run on every system is a joke, besides, it already runs on any system with 512MB Ram (Vista Basic does atleast) Which is like any PC 4 - 5 years ago My 10yr old machine has 256MB ram, so its fair enough to expect half that age to have double the ram.

Most computers had 256MB RAM 4-5 years ago. Only the more expensive models had 512MB. I just checked the Wayback machine. =p Regardless, with 512MB you're going to hate Vista. With 1GB you're still going to hate Vista. 2GB - 3GB is the only way to go. Compare that to XP: 64MB minimum (unusable), 128MB (basic tasks), 256MB worked fine, 512MB was plenty for most, 1GB was the most you'd need.

Also, something I've noticed, and is probably why people often don't like Vista: A higher percent of resources in Vista are generally dedicated to the OS. Because of that, if you have a low end Vista computer, everything will run slowly. In XP, if you had a low end computer the OS itself ran fine. Since this was smooth, basic tasks like web browsing could be quick and responsive even with low specs. Things only became very slow when running a too demanding application.

Because its still a third party application, made by MS yes, but just because Vista is made by Microsoft, and so is the Xbox and Halo, does that mean they are closly knit?

Xbox and Halo aren't related, you're right. However, Xbox and Halo are separate products both financially and technically, while IE and Vista are not.

No, they were made by completly different departments and teams

Different people worked on it, but that's just the regular development process. You have different people working on every part of Windows, and it just so happens that Internet Explorer is a part of Windows.

have completly different programming

They do not have completely different programming, because Vista and IE are integrated.

and thus is the same as a third party application.

Internet Explorer isn't third party in any way. Definition of third party: One other than the principals involved in a transaction. Internet Explorer is obviously involved in the transaction because:

  • Internet Explorer is developed by Microsoft, and packaged with Vista. Therefore, when you buy Vista, you're paying for Internet Explorer.
  • Vista and IE are Integrated. IE is built in to Vista.
Vista doesn't cause Vista to bork, Asus Drivers cause Vista to bork, Applications make Vista bork.

If one company is having trouble, it's the company's fault. If every company is having trouble, it's Microsofts fault. Too much change can be a bad thing, you know.