Wait for Crossfire, or go SLI? 12 replies

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rick117

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[COLOR=black]I'm getting ready to get a computer for about $1500, and I'm trying to squeeze in as much performance as I possibly can, and I'm wondering if I should get this right now: NZXT Trinity (case), ASUS A8N-SLI Premium, AMD Athlon 64 x2 3800+ OC @ 4800+, 2.5GB PC4200 Corsair RAM, and the Nvidia 7800GTX, it’s gonna be nice with cable sleeving, 4 LED fans, Unreal Tournement fan grills, and my own 5.4in LCD front case mod...:0wned:... Or should I just wait for ATI's Crossfire motherboards /w an x1800xt to come out? I know the x1800xt is coming out November 5th, but what about their CrossFire motherboards? I mean, I really don't wanna wait about 3 or 4 months or so, just for an increase of maybe 10-15 FPS from ATI. Also I would like to get the ASUS A8N-SLI Premium equivalent to CrossFire, and I don't think it's coming out too soon... And the motherboards that will be coming out within the next few months I heard will just pretty much be a paper launch (which is like when they release a crap system too soon just to make it look like they released it but they really didn't)... So should I just go with the Nvidia system I made above, or should I wait for ATI?[/COLOR]




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#2 13 years ago

Until we see the benchmark results of the X1800 series in Crossfire, compared to SLI, i would wait.....if i was gonna spend that much money, i would want to get the best possible....

Is two more months (at the max i suppose) gonna kill ya?


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#3 13 years ago

And don't get 2.5GB of RAM. Keep an even number of sticks, all the same size, all the same organization, all the same speed, and all the same timings. You'll be better off with 2GB of paired up memory than 2.5GB of mixed memory. 2GB is more than enough anyway. On the SLI/Crossfie note, I've never really liked SLI myself. I've never used it, but I don't think it offers a consistant enough performance increase to make it worth your while. For twice the money, you get 90% more performance at best, and in some cases you get even worse performance than with a single card. Either wait for Crossfire and see how reliable of a technology it is, or get a single card thats twice as fast.

(P.S. You can't overclock a 3800+ to 4800+. You can overclock it to 2.4GHz, but the 4800+ has twice as much L2 cache as the 3800+. That's overclocking it to a 4600+.)




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#4 13 years ago

Yes, but I'm not actually going to have an SLI or Crossfire configuration, I just want a motherboard that supports it for future upgrading needs, so I don't have to buy a whole new $200 motherboard.




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#5 13 years ago

And for me It'd be longer than two months for a Crossfire motherboard, because I'm going through someone else and getting a really awsome monthly deal through Ibuypower, and I don't know if there gonna get the Crossfire motherboards right away, because I called them on the phone, and the guy didn't know, and they didn't know, when their getting the crossfire motherboards. And they even didn't know when their gonna get the x1800xt which comes out Nov. 5th. WTF? :confused:




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#6 13 years ago

Dual cards are going to be a waste of money for at least a few years. What I would do instead would be to get an Athlon64 X2 processor, which actually gives a significant performance increase compared to another card in SLI/Crossfire.

Nothing much changes in the way computers process information, but graphics cards become outdated quickly with new releases and new technology.

Perhaps even a 5.1 sound system - these things will give much more noticable differences in your gaming experience.

Or, maybe water cooling? You can basically have a completely silent computer if you get a decent water cooling system that provides heatsinks for the processor, PSU and graphics card.




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#7 13 years ago
RevenDual cards are going to be a waste of money for at least a few years. What I would do instead would be to get an Athlon64 X2 processor, which actually gives a significant performance increase compared to another card in SLI/Crossfire. Nothing much changes in the way computers process information, but graphics cards become outdated quickly with new releases and new technology. Perhaps even a 5.1 sound system - these things will give much more noticable differences in your gaming experience. Or, maybe water cooling? You can basically have a completely silent computer if you get a decent water cooling system that provides heatsinks for the processor, PSU and graphics card.

Yes, I am getting an AMD Athlon64 X2 system, and you'd know that if you looked at the first post, and you say 5.1 surround sound eh? That ASUS A8n-SLI motherboard from my first post has integrated 7.1 HD surround, and you say to get water cooling? Well In my first post I said im going to get the 3800+ OC @ 4800+ which from that means it probally has water cooling... But it's ok, I usually don't read forums all the way through either...




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#8 13 years ago

We read your post all the way through. You can't assume that since you're going to overclock your 3800+ to a 4800+ (which, by the way, you would know is not possible if you had read my entire post), we know that you have watercooling. The integrated 7.1 sound in your motherboard sucks (integrated always does), and what good is 7.1 sound if you don't have speakers? By "a 5.1 sound system", I believe he meant 5.1 speakers for your 7.1 sound.

I'm a little too busy at the moment to look into it (and I mean that with no disrespect), but someone makes (or will make in the near future) a motherboard that is both SLI and Crossfire compatible. If expandibility is really what your worried about, I would google that.




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#9 13 years ago
carl4286We read your post all the way through. You can't assume that since you're going to overclock your 3800+ to a 4800+ (which, by the way, you would know is not possible if you had read my entire post), we know that you have watercooling. The integrated 7.1 sound in your motherboard sucks (integrated always does), and what good is 7.1 sound if you don't have speakers? By "a 5.1 sound system", I believe he meant 5.1 speakers for your 7.1 sound. I'm a little too busy at the moment to look into it (and I mean that with no disrespect), but someone makes (or will make in the near future) a motherboard that is both SLI and Crossfire compatible. If expandibility is really what your worried about, I would google that.

Yes, I know it wouldn't be exactly a 4800+, I just meant the clock speeds, and it doesn't really matter so much, because a 3800+ OC to the speed of a 4800+ has just as much, if not even more performance as a 4800+ in most cases from the tests I've seen... Infact you can even overclock it to the speeds of what would be a 5800+, or even more...




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carl4286And don't get 2.5GB of RAM. Keep an even number of sticks, all the same size, all the same organization, all the same speed, and all the same timings. You'll be better off with 2GB of paired up memory than 2.5GB of mixed memory. 2GB is more than enough anyway.

On the SLI/Crossfie note, I've never really liked SLI myself. I've never used it, but I don't think it offers a consistant enough performance increase to make it worth your while. For twice the money, you get 90% more performance at best, and in some cases you get even worse performance than with a single card. Either wait for Crossfire and see how reliable of a technology it is, or get a single card thats twice as fast.

(P.S. You can't overclock a 3800+ to 4800+. You can overclock it to 2.4GHz, but the 4800+ has twice as much L2 cache as the 3800+. That's overclocking it to a 4600+.)[/quote] agreed, your better off with 1gig of paired dual channel than even 3.5 mixed, because you'll never use that much, and its always better to have faster memory. because regardless of how much memory is being used its still swaped and fragmeted around. i would wait for 1800 crossfire. it will be WAY more expensive but we will see better benchmarks from it. nvidia right now is so full of themselves that they think no one else has technology other than them. they boast SLI like its some kind of break through technology. some ATI cards can still be compared to SLI, that is breakthrough technology its self. crossfire will prove to be more expensive, but more promising. how it works is pure genious. its very flexible as well, not having to have the same exact cards. you can upgrade crossfire, but have to buy a whole new SLI combo. crossfire might be cheaper to maintain in that manner. its like buying a mercedes, you pay more for a better car, that is easily and cost effeciently maintained.

carl4286 (P.S. You can't overclock a 3800+ to 4800+. You can overclock it to 2.4GHz, but the 4800+ has twice as much L2 cache as the 3800+. That's overclocking it to a 4600+.)
exactly, you can OC to its frequency but its not the same core or chip. the L2 is diffrent, and you will get much diffrent performance. [quote=rick117]? I know the x1800xt is coming out November 5th, but what about their CrossFire motherboards? I mean, I really don't wanna wait about 3 or 4 months or so, just for an increase of maybe 10-15 FPS from ATI.

you will see at least a +30-35 fps increase with crossfire. the x850 xt pe crossfire benchmarks came quite close, within less than 10 fps, or SLI 7800 gtx's. this is supreme technology, a 16 pipe, generation back cards getting that close to SLI 7800's? thats the ownage man. crossfire will be really great. x1800 xt? im waiting for the x1800 xt PE's. full 24 pipes on the r580 core man. it MGIHT be canceled is the x1800 xt's are good enough to take on 7800 gtx's in SLI, which its probally going to do.




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