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#1 10 years ago

Hi. Ive been researching possible upgrades for my pc for awhile now and i am looking into upgrading my video card (currently GeForce 6800 not GS or GT or Ultra, plain old 6800) to something like a 8800GTS (or maybe even 9xxx series later). I have just gotten the willies scared out of me on another forum by a guy who says my 2.8Ghz Pentium D CANNOT play any new graphic intensive games WELL. I was under he impression that it was my video card that was killing me. If my proc truly sucks would upgrading to a 3.4-3.6 Ghz Pentium D help? (DONT TELL ME TO UPGRADE MY MOBO I AM NOT GOING TO) Here are my specs: [COLOR=black]System Info[/COLOR][COLOR=black]Model : Dell Dimension XPS 400/9150 Chassis Type : Tower Service Tag : 3P63191 Operating System : Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600) [/COLOR][COLOR=black]Processor[/COLOR][COLOR=black]Number Of Processors : 1 Hyper-Threading Enabled Type : Intel Pentium D 820 2800 MHz (2.8 Ghz) [/COLOR][COLOR=black]Processors Bus Speed :[/COLOR][COLOR=black] 800 MHz [/COLOR][COLOR=black]Motherboard[/COLOR][COLOR=black]Manufacturer : Dell Inc. Model : 0YC523 Rev. Not Available [/COLOR][COLOR=black]CPU Slot/Socket Type :[/COLOR][COLOR=black] Socket 775 LGA Chipset Vendor : Intel i945P/PL/G/GZ Rev. 00 Bios Manufacturer : Dell Inc. Bios Version : A07 [/COLOR][COLOR=black]Graphics[/COLOR][COLOR=black]Model : nVidia PCIE NVIDIA GeForce 6800 256 MB @ 325Mhz PCIE Speed : 16x Monitor : Plug and Play Monitor [/COLOR][COLOR=black]Storage[/COLOR][COLOR=black]Hard Drive 1 : Maxtor 7 L250S0 Size : 238.42 GB [/COLOR][COLOR=black]Memory[/COLOR][COLOR=black]Total RAM Installed : 2048 MB @ 667 Mhz[/COLOR] Type : DDR2 Regular UDIMM PC4300 Used RAM Slots: 4 of 4




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#2 10 years ago
Cheeseking25;3873019Hi. Ive been researching possible upgrades for my pc for awhile now and i am looking into upgrading my video card (currently GeForce 6800 not GS or GT or Ultra, plain old 6800) to something like a 8800GTS (or maybe even 9xxx series later). I have just gotten the willies scared out of me on another forum by a guy who says my 2.8Ghz Pentium D CANNOT play any new graphic intensive games WELL. I was under he impression that it was my video card that was killing me. If my proc truly sucks would upgrading to a 3.4-3.6 Ghz Pentium D help? (DONT TELL ME TO UPGRADE MY MOBO I AM NOT GOING TO) Here are my specs: [COLOR=black]System Info[/COLOR][COLOR=black]Model : Dell Dimension XPS 400/9150[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Chassis Type : Tower[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Service Tag : 3P63191[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Operating System : Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600) [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Processor[/COLOR][COLOR=black]Number Of Processors : 1 Hyper-Threading Enabled[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Type : Intel Pentium D 820 2800 MHz (2.8 Ghz)[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Processors Bus Speed :[/COLOR][COLOR=black] 800 MHz[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Motherboard[/COLOR][COLOR=black]Manufacturer : Dell Inc. [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Model : 0YC523 Rev. Not Available[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]CPU Slot/Socket Type :[/COLOR][COLOR=black] Socket 775 LGA[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Chipset Vendor : Intel i945P/PL/G/GZ Rev. 00[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Bios Manufacturer : Dell Inc.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Bios Version : A07[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Graphics[/COLOR][COLOR=black]Model : nVidia PCIE NVIDIA GeForce 6800 256 MB @ 325Mhz[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]PCIE Speed : 16x [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Monitor : Plug and Play Monitor[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Storage[/COLOR][COLOR=black]Hard Drive 1 : Maxtor 7 L250S0 [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Size : 238.42 GB[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Memory[/COLOR][COLOR=black]Total RAM Installed : 2048 MB @ 667 Mhz[/COLOR] Type : DDR2 Regular UDIMM PC4300 Used RAM Slots: 4 of 4

Upgrading to another Pentium D would be a waste. I realise that you said your not going to upgrade your Mobo but it would be the best choice, your current one can't support a Core 2 Duo. Your Pentium D isnt the fastest out there but it should do okay.... I would suggest looking up your PSU. Dell usually (especially older ones) supply pretty low PSU's with there PC's. You may have to upgrade that aswell if its anywhere below 400W if you plan to buy that 8800GTS. If you don't mind, why aren't you willing to get a new Mobo?




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#3 10 years ago

well i guess i could...but wouldnt that require new RAM in addition to the cost of the proc and mobo? and i would have to have some1 else install it cause im not that good with building comps...but just in curiousity...what would a new mobo + a good Core 2 Duo + 2GB of RAM cost?




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#4 10 years ago

Keep in mind, with a Dell, a new motherboard might require a new case and a new psu due to the possible proprietary nature of all 3 items.

Cheeseking25;3873098what would a new mobo + a good Core 2 Duo + 2GB of RAM cost?

Probably about $250-$300 (USD), give or take, for those components if bought online.

Your processor isn't the greatest, but I think your graphics card is your biggest bottleneck.

btw - Are you sure your current LGA775 motherboard can't handle a C2D?




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#5 10 years ago

People ask about upgrade options on name brand PCs all the time and more often than not they end up finding out by it that name brand computers are very limited in upgradability. The MB/PS connections are ALWAYS proprietary in name brand PCs, meaning they have their own special plugs and sockets made so no other brand MB/PS can connect to them. Isn't that nice of them to do that? :rolleyes: I find it odd too that they use the designations "Dimension" and "XPS" together on some of their builds, further confusing those whom know Dimension models to be severely lacking in what the XPS' are supposed to offer. If you're insisting on keeping that MB you are not likely to be able to up the power, unless by some small chance Dell offers a more powerfull PS that will fit that case.




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#6 10 years ago
Oblivious;3873153Keep in mind, with a Dell, a new motherboard might require a new case and a new psu due to the possible proprietary nature of all 3 items. Probably about $250-$300 (USD), give or take, for those components if bought online. Your processor isn't the greatest, but I think your graphics card is your biggest bottleneck. btw - Are you sure your current LGA775 motherboard can't handle a C2D?

honestly im not 100% sure that I cant run a Core 2 Duo (trust me if i was 100% sure I would go buy one) but i think ur rite about the graphics card. and getting a new case and mobo is out of the question. I would rather buy a new system (which is not in the budget btw). I may upgrade the PSU but i've heard XPS 400's 375W PSU is underated and runs a 8800GTS just fine. is it completely worthless to upgrade to a higher Pentium D for the extra .6-.8 Ghz?




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#7 10 years ago
Cheeseking25;3873280i've heard XPS 400's 375W PSU is underated and runs a 8800GTS just fine. is it completely worthless to upgrade to a higher Pentium D for the extra .6-.8 Ghz?

I've also read that the stock PSU is actually decent on the XPS, and some report running 8800GTX cards on them without issue (or no issues they can discern anyways).

I wouldn't go as far as to say the cpu upgrade would be worthless, but for what you want, better gaming, the effect of the cpu upgrade would likely pale in comparison to what a new videocard would do.

Besides, I just looked up your cpu on the Tom's comparison charts, and you aren't in that bad a shape with that Pentium D 820. It should get you by another year or so. After that, new pc time. You can scavenge some parts from your Dell to use in the new system to save money (Hard drives, dvd/floppy drives, videocard and the ram). All you'd likely need is a new case, motherboard, cpu, psu and a new Windows disc. (likely to cost less than $400 altogether for decent parts)

btw - I take the Tom's charts with a grain of salt, they're not gospel or anything.




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#8 10 years ago

>Omen<;3873176People ask about upgrade options on name brand PCs all the time and more often than not they end up finding out by it that name brand computers are very limited in upgradability. The MB/PS connections are ALWAYS proprietary in name brand PCs[/quote]

The connectors are not always proprietary. Infact, most major OEMs are moving away from proprietary parts. My five year old HP does not use a proprietary PSU (nor are any of the connections on the mobo proprietary). Until about four years ago, Dell was using mostly proprietary parts, but they have been stepping down their useage of proprietary connectors on the consumer PCs.

[quote=Cheeseking25;3873280]Is it completely worthless to upgrade to a higher Pentium D for the extra .6-.8 Ghz?

The cost/benefit ratio in a .6-.8 Ghz speed boost is pretty poor. I would say that it's not worth it.




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#9 10 years ago

A 945-based board should support Core 2 Duo. Pretty much the entire point of 945 is that it's an entry level (i.e. cheap) chipset for the C2D processors. By the looks of things your memory will work fine with a C2D too.




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#10 10 years ago

Only if the board supporting the 945 chipset is a very recent revision. Cheeseking, the 6800 is holding you back big time. You'd be better off with a 320Mb GeForce 8800 GTS. A Pentium D like yours will still be perfectly adequate to cope with what it'd have to deal with graphical-wise. You already have 2GB RAM, which is perfectly suited for gaming, so it's just the case of upgrading your graphics card, which is the bottleneck. Hope this helps Sam




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