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#1 13 years ago

havent seen this posted here yet.... :confused:

"The new Windows will be called Windows Vista. From now on the name Longhorn will not be used by Microsoft anymore, but it's possible that you'll encounter the name Longhorn in the two upcoming beta's.

This article contains information about how Windows Vista will handle 2D and 3D graphics and information about Vista's new features.

Vista uses the Windows Graphics Foundation, or WGF. WGF 1.0 will use DirectX 9.0c as its primary interface, but Vista will also have the Next-Gen 3D API build in. You can see it as DirectX 10, but it's officially called WGF 2.0.

One of the important features of WGF is the Longhorn Display Driver Model (LDDM). It is possible with LDDM to install a new graphics driver without even rebooting your system. LDDM will ship in two stages. The first, called basic, supports current generation graphics hardware: shader model 2.0 and 3.0 capable hardware. The second stage of LDDM, advanced, will support hardware features that ship at the same time or after Vista is released, but will work with the new features in WGF 2.0. Because of the competitive way of graphics hardware development, we'll probably see advanced LDDM capable hardware before Vista is released. The current Windows XP driver model is still supported, but will be frozen going forward.

Advantages of Vista above XP: - run more than 15 graphical applications at the same time instead of 2 - complete control manager to optimize system resources - every window in Vista will be a 3D surface (when opening My Computer you're actually watching an interactive 3D texture) - applications can be bigger than graphic card memory currently allows (advanced VRAM simulation) - split your monitor into four pieces and play games at the same time while listening to your favourite music with Winamp, watching a movie with Windows Media Player and posting spam on the Guru3D forums - Vista uses DirectX (WGF) to draw the Windows Desktop - you are able to rotate your windows in a 3D way, so you can push it to the background, put it upside down or squeeze it in a corner. This way you'll be able to have more windows on your screen at the same time - Vista supports up to 160 open windows at the same time - there are four different graphic modes for Vista (2GB/256MB/128MB/64MB textures) - new motherboard BIOS'es will be integrated into Vista itself - some of the BIOS settings can be changed within Windows and you won't even have to reboot to apply the new settings - with XP, users got a lot of freedom to configure and tweak their system but Microsoft says that with Vista the 'more advanced' users will get the freedom to customize and tweak even more features of Windows that weren't possible in XP

Now some very important info about gaming on Vista: - there will be NO graphical difference between an ATI or nVidia card anymore, the only difference will be overall performance - WGF 2.0 allows GPU processing without CPU intervention - The Xbox 360 uses some of the technology Vista will use to handle games on the PC

If you want to play a game, Vista will disable every component of your computer that isn't needed by the graphical interface and unloads the Windows Desktop (it's like running a game in MSDOS).

While it's true that the graphics technology for Vista is very advanced, it's also true that Microsoft is trying to have a wide array of hardware specifications. By the time Vista actually ships, almost every new PC should be able to support the user interface and Windows Graphics Foundation.

That doesn't mean users will need GeForce 6800 Ultras or comparable cards. As we've seen, the user interface will support four different qualities, the most basic should even run on most of today's hardware. If you want the full Vista experience, you'll want a heavy system and graphics hardware, and lots of memory.

Windows Vista will most probably be released in the second half of 2006.

Important: - Don't think of buying a computer today and use it to run Vista next year on the highest settings - Memory is the most important component for future computing (graphics and system memory)

Extreme minimum requirements: 1.4 GHz processor 256 MB memory 64 MB videocard 7200 RPM HD 2 MB cache

For the highest settings (speculation): 3.6 GHz processor 2 GB memory 1 GB videocard with WGF 2.0 support 15000 RPM HD 1 GB flash memory

The highest settings requirements are only for software and graphics developers.

Update 1: VISTA CHANGES PC INTO GAME-CONSOLE Dean Lester, the General Manager of Windows Graphics and Gaming says Microsoft is making the gaming-functionality of Windows Vista the same as a modern game-console, but wants to keep the advantages of PC gaming like high-end graphics and sound hardware, online communities, community support and downloadable content.

Update 2: COMPUTERS WITH DIFFERENT LEVELS Microsoft is working together with nVidia, ATI, AMD and Intel to develop pre-configured computers with different levels, low, mid and high range hardware-configurations for different sales prices. PC's with a certain configuration of CPU, videocard and memory will be split in different levels. Because of this, choosing a PC for gaming gets a lot easier, because fast computers will get a higher level. The system requirements on game-packages will have a level requirement, so you can see if the level of your computer is high enough to handle a game.

Update 3: EASY TO USE With Vista Microsoft wants to eliminate the long installation procedures that PC games have. Installing and playing a game should be as easy as with a console. They too are developing a special driver manager, so you won't have any problems with different drivers. This means no problems with flickering textures, stuttering and crashing anymore, because the drivers will be fully controled by the graphics interface and because of this system nVidia and ATI can develop and test their drivers for problems within a few seconds. Updating drivers and BIOS'es will get a lot easier because Windows Update will get a special feature that automatically checks if your hardware is up to date and automatically updates your drivers, BIOS'es, the Vista graphics interface and even updates for the most important feature of Vista, WGF 2.0.

Update 4: FUTURE GRAPHICS Microsoft is going to implement Pixel and Vertex Shader 4.0 support into the new graphics interface, so in the near future after Vista is released there doesn't have to be another newer version of WGF to be released. Epic has announced that their Unreal 3 Engine will support future pixel and vertex shader versions that are going to be implemented when the Unreal 3 Engine is near completion.

Update 5: SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS AND RESOURCE USAGE Vista uses a lot of memory, but it uses it for a good reason. Vista doesn't even have loading times when you're using Explorer, Internet Explorer or any other primary Windows component. The big amount of memory thats being used isn't just for the textures but it contains every important file thats needed by Explorer when running a primary Windows application. When you start a game, the Vista graphics interface immediately unloads everything out of the memory that isn't needed by your 'game hardware' (video, sound and physics card) such as the 3D Windows Desktop. Users are able to change the way Vista reacts when they boot up a game or 3D application. WGF is fully customizable to your own needs. For example, you can keep the Windows Desktop loaded and play a game at the same time, or if you have a fast system run both in split screen. To do all this fast loading and unloading you need to have fast memory and ofcourse a fast harddisk. But here's the problem. The harddisks we use today are far too slow (12000 RPM is not fast enough) and will be a huge bottleneck when loading huge amounts of files into the memory. That's why Microsoft and Samsung are working on a new Hybrid hard drive that will use 1 GB flash memory as a buffer. They want to take part of the load of the spinning drive and to lower loading times and boot times drastically. Vista will fully support this technology. Microsoft and Samsung are still working on a way to unload files very fast from the harddisks flash memory. Next year Microsoft will start a huge marketing campaign for new hardware they are developing and they will give an update on the development of the Hybrid harddisk. When using a Hybrid harddisk in a mid-range computer of today (2 GHz, 1 GB RAM) you will have boot-times of about 5-10 seconds. Imagine how fast a high-end PC in late 2006 will be.

Update 6: ICONS In Vista icons will be completely changed. Documents don't have a icon anymore that shows the file-type, but it shows the first page of the document. Folder-icons will show you the inside files by using 3D technology. You'll see the files coming forward in a slideshow while you're watching the folder.

Update 7: STABILITY Vista will be the most stable OS ever. Microsoft admitted that it had problems with stability with Windows ME and XP (without SP), but they really are making work of making Vista unbelievably stable. Microsoft even has made three special teams that researched Vista and future technologies for two years. After Vista is released, Microsoft doesn't even have to release any updates to make Vista stable, because Vista manages itself automatically and disables processes that can make your computer unstable and are unneeded by the applications you're running.

Update 8: SECURITY Vista will have a better internet security. Instead of using very advanced ways to protect your computer, they're using somewhat primitive ways to keep users away from your harddisk. For example, Vista is able to completely halt every type of data transfer from your computer to any hardware component and is able to pause your internet connection when there is happening something suspicious. Microsoft is developing software together with Symantec (Norton Antivirus) to detect virusses the moment they reach your harddisk. Vista will be able to quarantine certain parts of the harddisk and make sure a virus gets automatically removed (using Norton Antivirus).

Update 9: HARDWARE FOR VISTA Some hardware will be specially made for Vista. Before Vista will be released in 2006, Microsoft will start the biggest marketing campaign ever, not just for the most advanced piece of software ever developed by more than 80.000 people (not only Microsoft), but also for the hardware that will be developed especially for Vista. As you've read before, there will be special harddrives, but there will also be special videocards that will have to work constantly at 100%, extra fast memory and new dual-core processors to support the new multi-application technology Vista uses. For Vista Hyperthreading is a old technology. Vista will take full advantage of it, but compared to the new technologies of the processors that are being developed it doesn't really help at all. There also will be newer soundcards to support the high sound quality that is possible when Vista is released. All hardware manufacturers are doing their best to get their new hardware finished before Vista is released. Microsoft promised that the prices won't go trough the roof.

Update 10: MULTIPLE INTERNET CONNECTIONS Vista supports a new technology that has been developed. With this technology you're able to use multiple internet connections (max 4) at the same time. For example: You have an DSL internet connection with a download speed of 100Kb/sec and a cable inter net connection of 80 Kb/sec. And you're downloading a file from a different user who has an upload speed of 140 Kb/sec. When you're using those two internet connections, the DSL connection starts to download 100KB/sec and the left 40 Kb/sec gets downloaded by the cable connection. This means you'll always be downloading at top speed, as long as you can afford multiple internet connections. Because of this you're able to play up to four different games at the same time online with just one internet connection.

Update 11: COPY PROTECTION Microsoft has teamed up with Disney and a lot of music labels to improve copy protection for movies, music and software using digital rights management functionality in Vista. Microsoft said they will use heavy copy protection schemes, so users won't be able to copy digital media. This may scare of a lot of consumers, but Microsoft doesn't worry about that, because eventually everyone will go Vista (their words). This means no Warez anymore.

Update 12: VISTA AND THE XBOX 360 Microsoft has announced that the Xbox 360 controller will work on Windows Vista too. They did this because they want the game mode of Vista to be an upgraded version of the Xbox 360. The Xbox 360 and Vista both will use a new technology that makes games run at the fastest speed possible. Because Microsoft is the 'leader' of the Xbox and Windows, they made it possible to connect your Xbox to your PC and download special content and updates for your games, without having to subscribe anything. The Xbox 360 uses the new multiple internet connections technology seen in Update 10. Downloading files can take some time, but thats not a problem anymore, because now you can play a game offline or online and download certain files at the same time! This is one of the advantages over the PlayStation 3 and the Nintendo Revolution. The XBox 360 has a lot more advantages, but the reason for all of that is the company thats behind the Xbox, Microsoft, the most powerful software company in the world. They made sure Sony and Nintendo couldn't make use of these new Windows technologies. So if you want compatibility between your console and your PC you'll have to buy a Xbox 360. It looks like Microsoft again has found a way to eliminate the competition.

Update 13: GAME ENGINE, API AND VIDEOCARD ARCHITECTURE As you've read before, Vista will use its own API to handle 2D and 3D graphics. Microsoft knows that this will cause a lot of compatibility problems and thats why they are talking to the videocard manufacturers. The new videocards ofcourse need to support the new graphics system and the manufacturers have to adjust their videocards' architecture so it will take full advantage of Vista. Because of this the support for OpenGL won't be as good anymore, because all the new videocards will be specialized in WGF graphics. Because of the new WGF technology, game engines need to be adapted to Vista as well. This means, that engines that will be used in the near future, like the Doom 3, Source and Unreal 3 Engine, will have to be fully compatible with WGF and the new videocard architecture."




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#2 13 years ago

Looks nice, needing a super uber PC to run windows vista is crazy since it will be a big system hog. Hopefully window PX will be upto spec to run games for a few more years, into 2010...




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#3 13 years ago
Pethegreat™Looks nice, needing a super uber PC to run windows vista is crazy since it will be a big system hog. Hopefully window PX will be upto spec to run games for a few more years, into 2010...

Yeah you will need a bad ass machine to run this on high...the only thing i don't like is this.....I hope this doesn't mean i can't copy my cds onto my mp3 player.

Update 11: COPY PROTECTION Microsoft has teamed up with Disney and a lot of music labels to improve copy protection for movies, music and software using digital rights management functionality in Vista. Microsoft said they will use heavy copy protection schemes, so users won't be able to copy digital media. This may scare of a lot of consumers, but Microsoft doesn't worry about that, because eventually everyone will go Vista (their words). This means no Warez anymore.




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#4 13 years ago

Wow....I am actually sort of impressed. Maybe M$ will actually get it right this time. One thing I want to see is the "PIP" mode. That would be awesome to be able to run bf2 while surfing the web, and burning a DVD all at once with out having to deal with miniumizing programs.

Pethegreat™Looks nice, needing a super uber PC to run windows vista is crazy since it will be a big system hog. Hopefully window PX will be upto spec to run games for a few more years, into 2010...

They aren't asking for super PC's really. Almost any computer sold today meets those requirements. The only people that have computers that don't meet the requirements are the same people that were running Win 95 up until last year. They wouldn't really benifit from the Vista's features anyway.




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#5 13 years ago
- new motherboard BIOS'es will be integrated into Vista itself

BAD!

Screw you, Bill. I'll give up gaming and move to Linux permanently and exclusively if you start pulling s--- like that. Not that I've ever really supported M$ in the first place, but still...

- there will be NO graphical difference between an ATI or nVidia card anymore, the only difference will be overall performance

Lie.

If you want to play a game, Vista will disable every component of your computer that isn't needed by the graphical interface and unloads the Windows Desktop (it's like running a game in MSDOS).

And if I want other applications and services running the in the background?

In Vista icons will be completely changed. Documents don't have a icon anymore that shows the file-type, but it shows the first page of the document.

Gee, I think I've seen that before...

Vista will be the most stable OS ever.

Going by their track record, I'd have to call that one a LIE also.

Vista will have a better internet security.

Not that that's saying much...

Microsoft is developing software together with Symantec (Norton Antivirus) to detect virusses the moment they reach your harddisk. Vista will be able to quarantine certain parts of the harddisk and make sure a virus gets automatically removed (using Norton Antivirus).

Funny, NAV already does this on my computer...

Microsoft has teamed up with Disney and a lot of music labels to improve copy protection for movies, music and software using digital rights management functionality in Vista. Microsoft said they will use heavy copy protection schemes, so users won't be able to copy digital media. This may scare of a lot of consumers, but Microsoft doesn't worry about that, because eventually everyone will go Vista (their words). This means no Warez anymore.

Not that I suppose warez, but just the same: F--- you, Bill.

Because of this the support for OpenGL won't be as good anymore, because all the new videocards will be specialized in WGF graphics.

Can we start an antitrust lawsuit here, too? Yeah, I like Vista more and more with each passing day. :Censored:




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#6 13 years ago
article Because of this you're able to play up to four different games at the same time online with just one internet connection.[/QUOTE] Ummm...is that really a needed function? When playing online games I don't think, "Gee, I wish I could be running three other games right now." roll%20eyes%20%28sarcastic%29.gif
article - Vista supports up to 160 open windows at the same time
When was the last time you had 160 windows open at the same time? [QUOTE=article]If you want the full Vista experience, you'll want a heavy system and graphics hardware, and lots of memory.

Why would I want to buy a really high-end system simply to run Windows? I don't care if I have a two-dimensional desktop. If Windows runs fine, I'm happy with it. I don't need 3-D My Computer windows. To me it's just a waste of money to pay for a nice "Windows experience." The more advanced the software, the more that can go wrong with it, IMHO. The screenshots I've seen of different Longhorn builds didn't look all that different from XP. I don't know the accuracy of the screenshots, but... @ MS: I'll keep my XP, you keep you're new crap OS that needs a high-end PC for the desktop to look nice. madx.gif EDIT: I'm with you C38368, Bill can drop dead.




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#7 13 years ago

KB-SmokerUpdate 6: ICONS In Vista icons will be completely changed. Documents don't have a icon anymore that shows the file-type, but it shows the first page of the document. Folder-icons will show you the inside files by using 3D technology. You'll see the files coming forward in a slideshow while you're watching the folder.[/QUOTE]

I'd prefer just to see the file type, most of the first pages of my documents are useless to know what type of file it is.

KB-SmokerUpdate 8: SECURITY Vista will have a better internet security. Instead of using very advanced ways to protect your computer, they're using somewhat primitive ways to keep users away from your harddisk. For example, Vista is able to completely halt every type of data transfer from your computer to any hardware component and is able to pause your internet connection when there is happening something suspicious. Microsoft is developing software together with Symantec (Norton Antivirus) to detect virusses the moment they reach your harddisk. Vista will be able to quarantine certain parts of the harddisk and make sure a virus gets automatically removed (using Norton Antivirus).[/QUOTE]

I'd prefer that to be under my control rather than under the control of your demented OS thanks

KB-SmokerUpdate 11: COPY PROTECTION Microsoft has teamed up with Disney and a lot of music labels to improve copy protection for movies, music and software using digital rights management functionality in Vista. Microsoft said they will use heavy copy protection schemes, so users won't be able to copy digital media. This may scare of a lot of consumers, but Microsoft doesn't worry about that, because eventually everyone will go Vista (their words). This means no Warez anymore.[/QUOTE]

:rofl: Just you keep telling yourself that. As technology increases to force things upon people so in proporition to that technology increases the technology to counteract it.

KB-Smokerevery window in Vista will be a 3D surface (when opening My Computer you're actually watching an interactive 3D texture)

That's not a good thing, it is a waste of resources.

[QUOTE=KB-Smoker]split your monitor into four pieces and play games at the same time while listening to your favourite music with Winamp, watching a movie with Windows Media Player and posting spam on the Guru3D forums

Why would I want to? They'd all be too small to use with any efficiency

[QUOTE=KB-Smoker]Vista uses DirectX (WGF) to draw the Windows Desktop

That's not a good thing.

[QUOTE=KB-Smoker]new motherboard BIOS'es will be integrated into Vista itself some of the BIOS settings can be changed within Windows and you won't even have to reboot to apply the new settings

What fucktard thought that bright idea up? Lets make computers even more vulnerable to viruses. :thatsgreat:

Oh and don't think I haven't noticed about releasing specialist hardware for some things, Microsoft is trying to shut other OS makers out of the market.




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#8 13 years ago

*give the people who though up some of this crap(now that I herd from c and nem) the finger* Hopefully someone will relese some good drivers for Linux and have something so I can run all my games on it

Microsoft doesn't worry about that, because eventually everyone will go Vista (their words). This means no Warez anymore.

Well as long as their are linux users and peopl who can hack windows there will always be warez....




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#9 13 years ago

I think I'll be sticking to XP for a looong time.




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#10 13 years ago

Same, I guess I will stay with Windows 2000, I don't meet the "extreme" minimum system requirements.